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The vaccine isn't a modified version of the virus in this case. It's a tiny bit of mRNA coding for the spike protein.^^ A couple of thoughts. Since he got the first dose isn't it possible that he'd test positive, somewhere along the line, simply because the vaccine is a modified version of the CCP Virus? If he does actually have the CCP Virus I think he may have minor symptoms rather than a full blown, on a ventilator, infection since his immune system should already be fairly well ramped up.
1 year anniversary of WHO saying no human-to-human transmission:
"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China: (Jan 14, 2020)
But it's all Trump's fault. Trump started travel bans 2 weeks later and got slammed by the left for overreaction. Then he got slammed by the left for not doing enough. Damned if you follow the "science", damned if you don't.
Thank you for this, it helps me understand more, I have tried to live life by odds too with a little wisdom thrown in. The reasoning for me not rushing out there to get the vaccine is we are still in lockdown. During this Pandemic, we order most everything online, the wife has been working at home, I am Semi-Retired only working on weekends, every other or sometimes every third weekend and only for a few hours (Dealership Inventories), if we do venture out it is with mask and we stay away from people. Or odds are pretty low. Now if the wife returns to Brink/Mortar then yes we will make sure we vaccinate, I am pretty sure she will be forced to and of course I also will vaccinate to protect myself. So we are giving up our place in line to others who are more at risk until something changes in our way of living, btw this is really not living it is only just existing.For those further interested in the tech behind these new mRNA vaccines, here's a fairly technical article from before the pandemic era that gets into it:
mRNA vaccines represent a promising alternative to conventional vaccine approaches, but their application has been hampered by instability and delivery issues. Here, Pardi and colleagues discuss recent advances in mRNA vaccine technology, assess mRNA vaccines currently in development for cancer...www.nature.com
While the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are the first of their kind, and are new, they've been in trials since early 2020, so there is an ever-expanding set of data on their safety. No major concerns have arisen from the Phase II trials for Moderna or Pfizer, and those data sets go back a ways; the much larger phase 3 trials are also continuing to collect safety data that hopefully will give people confidence in their safety. There have also been trials, both human and animal, of other mRNA vaccines that were never deployed. So, there's actually a fair amount of data to look at, growing daily.
A good way to think about it is like this:
If you are diagnosed with COVID-19, there is something like a 1.5% chance you will die, based on current rates (not full historical, which was much higher). Obviously if you are old, fat, or immunocompromised, there's a much higher risk, and if you are young and healthy, a much lower risk. It's not just death to consider... severe cases become common once you hit your 40s and even if you don't die, you might become seriously ill for weeks or longer.
Serious side effects from vaccines are generally measured in an event or two per 100,000 or per million. As an example, the long term serious side effect people often hear about from flu vaccines is Guillian-Barre syndrome, which effects 1-2 people per million flu shot recipients. GBS is an autoimmune neurological disorder that most people recover from but can have permanent effects. So far there's no evidences that the mRNA vaccines cause GBS at all, and there's enough data so far to suggest it's not a major threat (more frequent than for flu) even if it happens at all.
My point is that there's a good chance I'll be infected with COVID sooner or later, and if I do, there's a solid chance I'll get a bad case (I'm 53) and a non-trivial chance it will kill me.
Since the vaccines seems to be 90-95 effective at preventing serious COVID cases and deaths, for me that outweighs any extraneous low probability risks that the vaccine may have. With the data we already have, it's definitely less risky than getting COVID, no matter how young and healthy you are.
I will get it as soon as I can. My wife, who is a health care provider, apparently is now eligible to get it and she is going through the signup process.
They say doctors make the worst patients. Maybe that explains the reluctance by a significant percentage of providers. The providers I know (friends and my own doctors) are all very pro-vaccination and are trying to set an example. Time will tell if the big picture changes or not.
It is sad, more common all over these days. People are more aware hopefully.SNIP
In China, we call expert as Brick Brain, lol. The Chinese media is having fake news everyday too, when you open the newspaer, the only accurate thing is the date print on the newspper.