That type of thinking sickens me, and I am about as conservative as they come. We live in a country that is ruled by the Constitution and Law and that attitude spits on everything this country as built on. As a former Marine I would expect you to understand that, but it seems that you have forgotten your oath or at least you have allowed yourself to pervert the meaning of that oath.Wild, rabid animals need to be put down on the spot. It's that simple.
Honestly, I don't really care what you think but thanks for your opinion.That type of thinking sickens me, and I am about as conservative as they come. We live in a country that is ruled by the Constitution and Law and that attitude spits on everything this country as built on. As a former Marine I would expect you to understand that, but it seems that you have forgotten your oath or at least you have allowed yourself to pervert the meaning of that oath.
In this case, anyone calling for the outright killing of people simply for displaying criminal behavior. That attitude is one of a tyrant. Tyranny is why our country rebelled from the British in the first place - and for far less "tyrannical" behavior than what is being suggested here. Due process is one of the ideals of our country and as such protected by the Constitution.So honestly, who exactly are the people spitting on everything this country was built on?
That attitude has been formed because of the failures of the current judicial system to adequately enforce the law. If criminals were properly punished for their actions instead of turned loose to offend again that attitude would be a lot less prevalent. However, executions in response to criminal behavior is an idea as old as humanity itself. It's not going away soon. I can tell you with certainty that if someone breaks into my home while I am here, they made the decision that my stuff is more valuable than their life and I will respect that decision. Oklahoma law and castle doctrine allows me to respect that decision that they made when they entered my residence uninvited.In this case, anyone calling for the outright killing of people simply for displaying criminal behavior. That attitude is one of a tyrant. Tyranny is why our country rebelled from the British in the first place. Due process is one of the Constitutional ideals of our country.
I actually edited my post with a similar thought after you quoted mine, but before you posted yours.The USA was not formed because Britain executed criminals. It was formed because the government was strikingly similar to where our government is, and where the Democrats would have it headed.
You think I am missing your point because you are missing mine. Too much is trying to get combined when it should be separated. Let's try to break it down.I actually edited my post with a similar thought after you quoted mine, but before you posted yours.
I don't get why you are debating my points however. It seems to me that your attitude is this - because our system has become broken over time (something I would agree on) that it somehow nullifies the Constitution (something I don't agree with). Or perhaps it's, "if they can ignore the Constitution, then we can too." Either way, instead of trying to fix the system (something that won't happen overnight), you simply want to break it further or even do away with it completely. To quote a cliché - "two wrongs don't make a right". You can't complain that our system/Constitution has been watered down/broken and then still seemingly defend the words - words that call for something completely unconstitutional - that initiated my post in the first place. If you do, then you are part of the problem and YOU are helping to tear our country away from it's fundamental beliefs.
It's easy to always blame "them" for our problems. It's much harder to look at our own beliefs and realize we are part of the problem too.
EDIT - After reading your post again, I realize that you might need to go back and re-read what SJGUSMC21 said. He wasn't calling for the criminals to "be properly punished" (which is something I think we all agree on should happen, but doesn't in today's environment). He thinks that these "wild, rabid animals" (don't get me started on that idea - it's full of bigotry and hate) should be "put down on the spot". That's not calling for due process - it's calling for extermination.
No, we do not. The government has been very effective for a long time at circumventing the constitution and violating the law themselves. This is not me saying that 2 wrongs make a right, my point is entirely independent of WHY you said it, focusing only on what was said.That type of thinking sickens me, and I am about as conservative as they come. We live in a country that is ruled by the Constitution and Law and that attitude spits on everything this country as built on. As a former Marine I would expect you to understand that, but it seems that you have forgotten your oath or at least you have allowed yourself to pervert the meaning of that oath.
I'm going to skip a lot of what I want to say about a lot of things, because I have been known to ramble and want to focus. This sentence is an enigma. It's true, yet it's a fabrication. If the Government, for any arbitrary reason that they decide, declares you a terrorist, you have lost all due process. It's as simple as that. While "protected by the Constitution" still applies much of the time, it's not as definitive as you might think. Our Government simply isn't interested in protecting the Constitution, which is really it's only job. The Constitution has been perverted. Freedom of the press is supposed to be so that Government corruption can be exposed without retaliation, but I guess Edward Snowden had to go to Russia because he's not considered to be "the press"? Nevermind courts ruled that the programs he exposed were illegal and possibly unconstitutional. He wasn't "press" so he can never come home.In this case, anyone calling for the outright killing of people simply for displaying criminal behavior. That attitude is one of a tyrant. Tyranny is why our country rebelled from the British in the first place - and for far less "tyrannical" behavior than what is being suggested here. Due process is one of the ideals of our country and as such protected by the Constitution.
I agree with you with one exception. About a month ago a coyote chased our cat, killed it, and walked away, leaving the former cat. It happened at the break of daylight, so the image of the chase was pretty blurry on the 2 MP starlight. A 5442 would have captured it betterAnimals kill to survive or to defend themselves.
So your "solution" for someone that tried to kill another person is to "put (them) down on the spot" You have to see the irony here right? You are basically demanding to do the same thing that this woman was doing. You've justified the killing of this woman in your own mind based on her actions just as she clearly felt justified in her own mind for trying to kill that man based on his previous actions. BOTH are clearly wrong and something is broken in your brain too if you feel like this is an acceptable solution.You get the picture.
So again, I don't care if you agree or disagree with me about my statement. IT purposely attacked that human being with the intention to kill. Again, IT IS THAT SIMPLE. Somewhere in 'its' brain, the normal switch 'broke'.
This type of thinking is great at being politically correct but it's not instinctual or reality based. If this woman did this to your mother, father, wife, child, etc, in broad daylight, in front of witnesses and with video footage, would you simply say "well she must have felt she was justified, she's still human and deserves the due process that's already failed once because she escaped after the last stabbing she committed"? Or do you feel that every inch of you would desire to see her gone, unable to hurt anyone else again? Be honest with yourself. Do you value her life equally with those that you love? If you value anyone's life over hers, even though she's human, by your logic wouldn't that just be your anger, hatred and bigotry taking over?So your "solution" for someone that tried to kill another person is to "put (them) down on the spot" You have to see the irony here right? You are basically demanding to do the same thing that this woman was doing. You've justified the killing of this woman in your own mind based on her actions just as she clearly felt justified in her own mind for trying to kill that man based on his previous actions. BOTH are clearly wrong and something is broken in your brain too if you feel like this is an acceptable solution.
It's clear that you believe you are justified in thinking like this by saying these people are not human, but that is just your anger, hatred and bigotry talking. These people are human, they have rights, and are guaranteed due process before being convicted/punished for any crime. Again, as someone that swore an oath to uphold the Constitution I would think you, more than the average person, would understand these ideals but clearly that is not the case.
Yes, .. and this is why it is so critically important to have balance in the system where you can have cooler heads focus on the facts as much as possible to make judgements instead of ( actions based on ) emotions ..I don’t normally reply or participate in these type of threads as they really get me and others amped up. I’ll preface by saying something a lot of you have probably read me state countless times here and around the web.
Man has proven since inception to do only two things well.
Taking & Killing . . .
Man has come up with a thousand ways to kill something or another.
Having said this, lots of people have no first hand experience of killing. Whether it be bug, animal, much less human. Almost anyone can kill something out of fear or straight out anger.
The difference is being able to live with the same once that act has been done.
Having said all of the above laws were created by man to instill boundaries, limits, what can / can’t be done.
Why?!?
Because human by their very nature do what?!?
Take & Kill . . .
At some point a person will have pushed the boundaries of man law and the end result is death. Taking any life should not be as easy as pushing a button to obtain a bag of chips in a vending machine.
But at some point some of these people need to leave this earth because they contribute absolutely nothing to society besides anguish, pain, and death to all those around them.
The threshold for death should be set to the highest levels of proof beyond a shadow of doubt. All around the world people are killing one another because someone believes in another religion, colour, race, land, and resources etc.
At the end of the day people like those in the video will either skate or succumb to a timely death simply based on their own doing.
Lastly, as others have stated in this thread when you have skin in the game your view(s) and response is completely different than what you hope things should be!
I’ll throw out some of the hottest topics that just drive people into insanity.
Rape: I’ve not met a single person who is against abortion once such a heinous crime was committed to them - none.
Murder: I’ve yet to meet a single person who opposed the death penalty when such a crime fell upon them - none.
War: I’ve yet to meet a single person who was on the ground taking direct fire who said war is great and we should keep doing it - none.
All three scenarios are real and happen every day! So, until you have skin in the game you’re just a spectator and JAFO.
Rock On . . .
That line of thinking is flawed because this isn't SJGUSMC21's mother, father, wife, child, etc yet he still has this attitude. If it was someone personally known to SJGUSMC21, then yes I would be more understanding and sympathetic of his attitude.This type of thinking is great at being politically correct but it's not instinctual or reality based. If this woman did this to your mother, father, wife, child, etc, in broad daylight, in front of witnesses and with video footage, would you simply say "well she must have felt she was justified, she's still human and deserves the due process that's already failed once because she escaped after the last stabbing she committed"? Or do you feel that every inch of you would desire to see her gone, unable to hurt anyone else again? Be honest with yourself. Do you value her life equally with those that you love? If you value anyone's life over hers, even though she's human, by your logic wouldn't that just be your anger, hatred and bigotry taking over?