New starlight fixed lens dome and bullet 0.001lux.

[Guido87]

I see dahua released a new dome and bullet cam with fixed lens in the eco-savvy 3 epoe series. Dahua calls them full color.

Full-color Starlight
With the adoption of high performance sensor and large-sized aperture
lens, the camera is able to provide a more colorful image even under
lowlight environment. Full-color starlight cameras are prefect for
applications of low-light conditions which is over 1 lux, such as parking
lots, urban streets, schools, museums, etc.
*Full-color starlight cameras can not work in total darkness environment.

Both have no IR. Both have alarm and audio in/out.

They come with the starvis 1/2.8 starlight sensor.

Both 0.001lux with color. Aperture F1.0
3.6mm or 6mm

These cams are maybe better then the 5231r-ze?? Only no turret model...

IPC-HDBW4239R-ASE
https://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/productDetail/22547

IPC-HFW4239T-ASE
https://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/productDetail/22557

 

[bug99]

impressive aperture achievement. I think its F stop is lower than all of their other cameras, including the expensive box and Ultra series. Fixed lens without built in IR (but has cut filter), it is likely low cost and <4W of power.

 

[EMPIRETECANDY]

these cams i already watched , bad thing is they no IR light, so can't work in the night if no light.

 

[aristobrat]

@EMPIRETECANDY, do you have prices (or a guess on price range) for these yet?

 

[bug99]

@EMPIRETECANDY , that is a minor thing to me. I run most of mine in color only mode with full spectrum light (street light ,LED porch light, etc), and would prefer to run an external IR blaster on most of the ones that need extra help, which this supports. Having ~5x better low light sensitivity is a big plus for running them the way i prefer. IR in a dome generally sucks between the spiders and the reflections.

One other slight negative or thing to be aware of is they need several feet or more at the closest for minimum usage, unlike a vari-focal.

 

[Guido87]

I also prefer varifocal cam's. It's so much easier to install it then.

But I was impressed of the specs. I think b/w is useless. For good security you need to run cams in colormode. I have the 5831r-ze. But gives much noise at night. And dark areas are problem. And the blur is dramatic. 15fps is just not enough at night and the shutter on autospeed will also not help.

Hope dahua will come soon with a turretstyle with more then 2mp. The 2mp is not sharp enough at a little distance. My 8mp in daylight is superrr... But walking people at night is dramatic, only thing you see is a transparent moving blur...

I was thinking about the 2mp, but I think a will be disappointed about the sharpness... waiting for progress by dahua...

 

[bigredfish]

I was just about to post in the 4K CVI thread that they just released the same in CVI

They seem to be cranking out new CVI models monthly. Hard to keep up.

They call them "Full Color Starlights" rated to .001 lux and they dont come with IR and have no B&W setting
https://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/productDetail/22597

Holy Poop Batman!

 

[tigerwillow1]

They call them "Full Color Starlights" rated to .001 lux and they dont come with IR and have no B&W setting

What does the image look like when the only light is an IR illuminator?

 

[bug99]

in color mode, with the cut filter on, it will have IR no affect at all.

 

[bigredfish]

A shame they aren't varifocal...

 

[aristobrat]

waiting for progress by dahua...

I think the progress that comes from Dahua, Hikvision, etc is hugely dependant on the companies that make the image sensors. Before Sony came out with the STARVIS image sensor, it seemed like nobody had an affordable low-light camera on the market.

Hope dahua will come soon with a turretstyle with more then 2mp. The 2mp is not sharp enough at a little distance. My 8mp in daylight is superrr... But walking people at night is dramatic, only thing you see is a transparent moving blur...

I was thinking about the 2mp, but I think a will be disappointed about the sharpness...

IMO, it's not hard to get a sharp image from a 2MP Starlight. A 2MP Starlight ZE vari-focal turret with the focal length set to 13.5mm should be able to ID someone 35 feet away (at 98.99 ppf). But, .. the field-of-vision at 13.5mm is only 19.4 feet wide, so the camera isn't covering a lot at that point.

 

[looney2ns]

Very interesting.....

 

[nbstl68]

...IMO, it's not hard to get a sharp image from a 2MP Starlight. A 2MP Starlight ZE vari-focal turret with the focal length set to 13.5mm should be able to ID someone 35 feet away (at 98.99 ppf). But, .. the field-of-vision at 13.5mm is only 19.4 feet wide, so the camera isn't covering a lot at that point.

At night with (color or IR) a moving subject, you think it could identify at that distance?

 

[Arjun]

Quantum leap, they should have still included the IR just as secondary resort. Then again, really just depends on the image sensor in which Sony has done a lot in this field.

I was just about to post in the 4K CVI thread that they just released the same in CVI

They seem to be cranking out new CVI models monthly. Hard to keep up.

They call them "Full Color Starlights" rated to .001 lux and they dont come with IR and have no B&W setting
https://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/productDetail/22597

Holy Poop Batman!

 

[wopi82]

They do have B/W mode with removable IR filter. Only no IR leds.

 

[Arjun]

Good point, it uses local street light ambiance. If you're setting up this type of camera in a darkly-lit environment, its going to be hit or miss, The lux is important factor though which this model settles

They do have B/W mode with removable IR filter. Only no IR leds.

 

[bigredfish]

New Dahua marketing Video on the 'Full Color" cams...

 

[EMPIRETECANDY]

Already booked some to check soon, lol. Will take some bullets one firstly.

 

[mat200]

I wonder what you guys consider to be a "budget" camera on this forum?
Just asking...
Cause I've just started shopping for my very first install of a few "budget" cameras.
And in my case what started as $50 per piece just a couple of weeks ago has now crossed the $120 mark.

Welcome unleashed.

Unfortunately outdoor rated cameras in the $50-60 range typically fail to perform as well as needed, and thus many of us end up increasing our budgets to get ones which perform better for what we need.

 

[EMPIRETECANDY]

Indeed unleashed. Before I found this forum I considered a budget camera to be about $50 ... your average Amazon/Chinese camera.
Now I'd consider a budget camera to be about 90-100. For my home, I don't think I'll ever need a camera that's worth more than $200, but I certainly see why other people would. I'd like to upgrade my crappy Zmodo cameras with these. I love seeing color at night. Even my good Dahua cameras look like crap with infrared, everything is washed out, all color detail is lost, etc.. Starlight or a very low Lux threshold (like the HFW4431) is the only way to go.

90-100, use IPC-HDW4431EM-ASE using a standard shipping way can do , much better than the can't updated version cams.