New cameras, what’s the 1st thing you do?

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I have my 1st couple of cameras in hand. Now what?

I have to imagine they need some sort of bench setup before getting deployed. Is that thru blue iris or the dahua interface?
Windows or Mac?
My only windows machine at the moment is my new to me hp elitedesk that I’ll run blue iris on. I use a mac mini with the m2 chip for my daily use or an ipad. Daily use is surfing the net and maybe a little world of tanks late at night.

Any links to some good threads on camera setup and what to do after you take the camera out of the box?

I also need to set up some sort of test rig. I don’t know what the cameras are capable of or where they are going exactly.
what do you guys use for test rigs?
 

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Best bet is bench test in the camera GUI on Windows machine with Internet Explorer (yeah we know LOL) but it is still available and some cameras are still sensitive to needing that browser.

How to enable Native Internet Explorer in Windows 11 to access your IP cams.

Other ways include:

Change the BHO folder to another name like oldBHO and BAM Explorer is back...and this thread also shows other ways...

C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\110.0.1512.48\

Then change BHO to oldBHO or something else and Explorer will open

Looks Like Internet Explorer Died Today

Or this way:

Trouble with new DS-2CD3B86G2T-IZHSY -missing part of menu


Internet Explorer via W11



Test rigs can be temp mount the camera to the house, use a 2x4 or 4x4 in a 5 gallon bucket with rocks, rig to a ladder, etc. Whatever you have available to try it at different places. I have done this enough that in some instances I just hold it in place for a day and night capture to make sure I don't get some weird light reflection or something.



INITIAL SETUP OF CAMERA

For this camera you will need to use Internet Explorer - not Edge or Chrome with IE tab, but plain ole Explorer. If you use another browser some of the settings won't hold, like tracking time.

The default IP address of the camera is 192.168.1.108, which may or may not be the IP address range of your system.

Unhook a computer or laptop from the internet and go into ethernet settings and using the IPv4 settings manually change the IP address to 192.168.1.100

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Then power up your camera and wait a few minutes.

Then go to INTERNET EXPLORER (needs to be Explorer and not Edge or Chrome with IE tab) and type in 192.168.1.108 (default IP address of Dahua cameras) and you will then access the camera.

Tell it your country and give it a user and password.

Then go to the camera Network settings and change the camera IP address to the range of your system and hit save.

You will then lose the camera connection.

Then reverse the process to put your computer back on your network IP address range.

Next open up INTERNET EXPLORER and type in the new IP address that you just gave the camera to access it.

OR use the IPconfig Tool, but most of us prefer the above as it is one less program needed and one less chance for the cameras to phone home or for something to get screwed up.




DIAL IN THE CAMERA TO YOUR FIELD OF VIEW

In terms of getting the most out of the camera, here is my "standard" post that many use as a start for dialing in day and night that helps get the clean captures and help the camera recognize people and cars.

Start with:

H264
8192 bitrate
CBR
15FPS
15 iframes

Every field of view is different, but I have found you need contrast to usually be 6-8 higher than the brightness number at night.

We want the ability to freeze frame capture a clean image from the video at night, and that is only done with a shutter of 1/60 or faster. At night, default/auto may be on 1/12s shutter or worse to make the image bright.

In my opinion, shutter (exposure) and gain are the two most important parameters and then base the others off of it. Shutter is more important than FPS. It is the shutter speed that prevents motion blur, not FPS. 15 FPS is more than enough for surveillance cameras as we are not producing Hollywood movies. Match iframes to FPS. 15FPS is all that is usually needed.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-4ms exposure and 0-30 gain (day)for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared or white light.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night static image results in Casper blur and ghost during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

In the daytime, if it is still too bright, then drop the 4ms down to 3ms then 2ms, etc. You have to play with it for your field of view.

Then at night, if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 16.67ms (but certainly not above 30ms) as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image. But try not to go above 70 for anything and try to have contrast be at least 7-10 digits higher than brightness.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

After every setting adjustment, have someone walk around outside and see if you can freeze-frame to get a clean image. If not, keep changing until you do. Clean motion pictures are what we are after, not a clean static image.



GETTING CAMERA TRIGGERS INTO BI

Since you decided to go with the camera AI, then set up the IVS rules within the camera and let it do its thing!

Go into the camera and set up smart plan with IVS, then go to the IVS screen and draw IVS rules (tripwire or intrusion box) and then select the AI you want it to trigger on (human or vehicle).

Then in BI, there are a few places you need to set this up in BI (assuming you already set up the IVS rules in the camera GUI):

In Camera configure setting check the box "Get ONVIF triggers".

Hit Find/Inspect on the camera setting to pull the coding for the triggers.

Go into Motion Setting and select the "Cameras digital input" box.

On the Alerts tab uncheck the Motions Zones tab (those are alerting you to any BI motion in those areas in Zones A thru H)

On the alerts tab set up how to be notified.
 

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What exact cameras?
Test rig, 5 gal bucket, 8ft 2X4, rocks for ballast. 100ft Ethernet cable.
I have the T54ir varifocal and the z12e on hand right now.
A refurb T180 and a ptz5a4m 25x on the way.

Andy gave me a great price on the ptz after I reached out to him. I ordered direct from his website but failed to reach out 1st. I asked him after my order thru the IPCam website if there was a forum discount. He made good on my previous order and the ptz order. I will order from no one else.
 

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Thank you guys, enough info here to get me started for sure.

Already have me thinking of a keystone jack for testing in the garage from the poe switch in basement next to headless BI machine.

2 weeks ago I never knew this stuff was possible...
 

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First things I do (assuming not plugged into an NVR POE port):
  • Initialize the camera. I use Config Tool, can also use camera's web interface
  • Change to a predetermined static IP address
  • Shut off all of the things I don't want or need, like automatic updates, P2P, bonjour, etc.

Then I take it outside to set up exposure and events.
 

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Since the discussion of a 2nd NIC came up....
When using a 2-NIC BI setup, are the cameras on their own subnet? If that's the case, how do you get to the camera UI from a computer that's talking to a headless BI machine?
 

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Since the discussion of a 2nd NIC came up....
When using a 2-NIC BI setup, are the cameras on their own subnet? If that's the case, how do you get to the camera UI from a computer that's talking to a headless BI machine?
You Remote Desktop into the BI computer.
 

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Since the discussion of a 2nd NIC came up....
When using a 2-NIC BI setup, are the cameras on their own subnet? If that's the case, how do you get to the camera UI from a computer that's talking to a headless BI machine?
Yes, they are on their own subnet.

There are two ways, I use both.

Chrome Remote Desktop into your BI machine and use IE there.
Also have a dual NIC in your normal PC with one of the ports configured to the subnet of the camera network.
 

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Did the blue iris price go up very recently? I haven’t downloaded it yet, just looked now and it seems to be $63. I thought it was $54 a day or 2 ago.

was that a sale I missed?
 

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Did the blue iris price go up very recently? I haven’t downloaded it yet, just looked now and it seems to be $63. I thought it was $54 a day or 2 ago.

was that a sale I missed?
It went up a few months ago.
 

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Was able to initialize the 2 cameras I have on hand today.
I have easy access to my BI computer with my MAC using RDP.
2nd NIC works as it should with 2 very different ip addresses.
Created a link to open internet explorer in windows 11. That worked by just typing a single line in notepad as per the link posted above.
Still haven’t put together a test rig yet but I’m gonna use an old outdoor umbrella stand and a 10 ft piece of 1”emt.
Waiting on a couple more cameras but getting to a point where I’ll be able to start testing outside with relative ease.

Whatever fairy dust you guys are sprinkling on my stuff keep it up. It’s been fairly easy so far making this computer magic happen.

Thanks for the help,
Jer
 
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