Full Color Cameras worth it?

[JonSnow]

I've been using a couple HDW2431T-AS-S2 and they have been good, however looking to replace it with something that has 2 way talk and AI. I've had the HDW5541H on my list for a while but see there are now full color cameras like HDW3849H for around the same price.

My current HDW2431T is a 3.6mm camera for the porch and night time it provides a decent color image do to surrounding ambient light.

I assume Full Color means no B/W and that it requires a light source? I would not be able to keep the camera LED lights on and would rely on the ambient light but worried it may be to dark to function.

Any recommendations?

 

[wittaj]

The HDW5541H would be a horrible choice without much light. It is on a non-ideal MP/sensor ratio. It is a 5MP on a 1/2.7" sensor. A 2MP will kick its butt all night long.

Is your current camera running auto/default settings or did you dial in the shutter and other parameters to eliminate ghosting and blur motion at night? That is the true factor on if the camera is performing decently at night. Any camera can give a great night time image in color, but if motion is a blur, then it doesn't matter.

The current king of the full color type camera is the Color 4K/X camera.

I have a few Full Color type cameras and the LED light on it is a gimmick. It helps for a small diameter circle, but it is no different than going outside at pitch black and turning on your cell phone light - it is bright looking directly at the LED light, but it doesn't spread out and reach very far. Fortunately I have enough ambient light that I do not need the little piddly LED light on and it actually looks worse with it on, but it performs better than my other cameras when tested at the same location. But without some light, a camera with IR capability is the safer bet.

Once you take these cameras off of auto/default settings (unless you like ghost and blur) Just remember that every increase in shutter speed needs more light. So I can set mine to 1/250 second and eliminate blur at night, but then all that is visible is a 5 foot diameter around the camera IF I have enough light.

If your camera doesn't have enough light, a 24/7 full color camera will not be of much good and now you have a camera with no IR and even if you added external IR, the camera will not see it since it does not have an IR filter.

 

[JonSnow]

I did adjust the video settings and have it switching between Day/Night profiles using BI, but don't recall changing the shutter speed.

I'll try messing with shutter speed over the few days and see if i can get better results.

The street is bright as i have a street lamp in the same direction facing the camera, however since its under the porch, it is a bit dark there.

There is marginal difference in terms of visibility between 1/30 - 1/120 shutter speed. Anything above that is to dark, I don't want hard set it to 1/120 but would like 1/120 as the minimum but the range is in ms so not really sure how that translates

 

[Mars Bar]

Im using 4k 8mp imitation Hikvision colorvu cameras and they are amazing at night. 100% guarantee you will love them.
Go full color at night

 

[EMPIRETECANDY]

If no LED light, most led cams you want will not work well.

then check the dual lens FULL Color model

Search results for query: IPC-T5449H-ASE-D2

ipcamtalk.com

Maybe the IPC-Color4K-X also work, if has some light there in the night, this cam maybe the killer.
Price is not cheap, But with latest new tech.

The colorvu also good too.

 

[triumph202]

@EMPIRETECANDY are you selling the Hikvision DS-2CD2387G2-LU yet? (Preferably via AliExpress.)

 

[EMPIRETECANDY]

@EMPIRETECANDY are you selling the Hikvision DS-2CD2387G2-LU yet? (Preferably via AliExpress.)

Hikvision right now we don't sell the turret one, no chips hard to book the stocks, too long time to wait.

 

[genelit]

As a reference i found a head2head I did between the 5541 (forced colour) vs the 5442(9)R-ASE-NI (bottom of picture). I have pretty much light on my yard and the 5442 really outperforms the 5541.

I plan to do a new H2H test when I receive the IPC-Color4K-X. I have the 3549-AS-PV and the 3249 Full Color cams as well and I plan to mount them all together on a test rack.

 

[Jomsha]

As a reference i found a head2head I did between the 5541 (forced colour) vs the 5442(9)R-ASE-NI (bottom of picture). I have pretty much light on my yard and the 5442 really outperforms the 5541.

I plan to do a new H2H test when I receive the IPC-Color4K-X. I have the 3549-AS-PV and the 3249 Full Color cams as well and I plan to mount them all together on a test rack.

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Waiting for the reaults

 

[bigredfish]

Here's 3 of the "Full Color" cameras as a comparison.

I run 100 watt bulbs in my driveway coach lights, and we have obvious street lights

All bullets, all running 1/120 exposure in order
5442T-ASE 3.6mm
5442T-ASE-NI 3.6mm
Color4K 5849T1-ASE-LED 3.6mm



Color4K LED's off


Color4K with LED's on

 

[IAmATeaf]

@bigredfish Fantastic pics as ever Just how much light do you have outside, would it be possible to take a pic using say a phone to get an idea overall of how dark/light it is out there?

 

[bigredfish]

The two coach lights have 100 watt 1200 lumen bulbs plus the street lights.
I’m not there at the moment but will get an iPhone pic and light sensor reading this weekend

 

[bigredfish]

Actually had one on my phone…

 

[bigredfish]

Remember those are all running 1/120 exposure, the minimum I can be sure will eliminate most motion blur in color at night. I’ve since switched the 4K to 1/250

They could all be MUCH brighter running Auto or 1/30 but you’ll get blur. Don’t rely on still images

 

[ljw2k]

Nice captures but saying that your street must have shares with your local electicity company as every house has multiple external lighting with excellent street LED, even your mobile phone picture looks good

 

[wittaj]

@bigredfish trained his neighbors well that his cameras need light if they expect him to help them figure out who stole their car LOL.

 

[bigredfish]

They both , well actually 3 on each side, all have cameras too. When they saw what the 5442-NI looked like they all had to have em.

We do occasionally get low flying planes….

 

[bigredfish]

Besides, we all like to be able to see what we’re shooting at

 

[sebastiantombs]

What? No IR googles?

 

[bigredfish]

We’re gonna have to increase HOA dues for that…