bigredfish
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So on video 1- you're able to run both IVS AND VMD simultaneously?
On Video 2- are the light variations from Smart Illumination? No external white lights just the camera LEDs?
Thats an AS so fixed. 3.6mm?
Dahua WizColor 5x59-PRO and SmartLight 5x59-IL new series
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So on video 1- you're able to run both IVS AND VMD simultaneously?
On Video 2- are the light variations from Smart Illumination? No external white lights just the camera LEDs?
Thats an AS so fixed. 3.6mm?
1. Yes IVS and Video Meta Data are both on at the same time - by default when IVS is enabled
2. The 1st half is IR in manual then smart ILL. when it switched to color - just the cameras LED's
bigredfish
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After reading your notes on the specs, and then going and looking at them myself, like you I find it odd...
From pure spec, I see no reason to buy the IL vs the PRO? IL simply loses a few features, speaker, IVS for dummies, but has much worse FStops
The Pro I fear will be much like the 3449 pro in that it will pickup light better, but with the digital noise as a tradeoff.
The IL with the much worse Fstops, equal to (replacement for) the old 5442-S3 is likely to have the better IQ but at the expense of not being as light sensitive.
Seems we're back where we started? 5442S3 vs 3449 Pro?
IF the noise is still present on the PRO and my guess is right that the IL has the image quality of the current 5442-S3, but ALSO has the white LED's and Smart Illumination, I might be tempted to stay with it and not mess with the PRO. I mean there's very little feature difference....
Seems it will come down to image quality, unless Dahua puts a crazy price premium on the PRO
bigredfish
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I also notice they dropped AFSA from the 3449 PRO?
I'm still not clear on what it does but I DO know it helps reduce the digital noise at night on the 3449 Pro
also
Anyone know what is the difference between these two bullets?
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I'm still not clear on what it does but I DO know it helps reduce the digital noise at night on the 3449 Pro
also
Anyone know what is the difference between these two bullets?
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5459E1-ZE-IL
bigredfish
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Kinda thought so, no mention in the specs...
I think we will do the pro models, grab some samples to play soon. 
Thanks for sharing the videos @jmcu ... super-cool of you to share what you are seeing ... as I know it takes a bit of effort to package it all up - ditto @EMPIRETECANDY for your commentary.
We are all waiting for the "Money Shot" (do NOT look that up in the slang dictionary! ;-) which as I said earlier "Would love to see a side-by-side comparison of the all three camera at night, NO illumination (and full color (i.e. not IR), using similar params - I.e. lets see what the difference is in lens/sensors" (hopefully obvious that no illumination means no on-board lighting)
@steve1225 echo'd with "any comparison pictures to 54IR / Color4K / TIOC-PRO at the same location / direction / shutter speed & camera parameters? ... T54IR is a sensitive color camera which can work at night in color mode - and comparison is highly recommended - with the same external white street lighting (no onboard white light usage on white light models)... Especially that T54IR is a benchmark on this forum... Everyone knows this model and know what is performance at night..."
We are all waiting for the "Money Shot" (do NOT look that up in the slang dictionary! ;-) which as I said earlier "Would love to see a side-by-side comparison of the all three camera at night, NO illumination (and full color (i.e. not IR), using similar params - I.e. lets see what the difference is in lens/sensors" (hopefully obvious that no illumination means no on-board lighting)
@steve1225 echo'd with "any comparison pictures to 54IR / Color4K / TIOC-PRO at the same location / direction / shutter speed & camera parameters? ... T54IR is a sensitive color camera which can work at night in color mode - and comparison is highly recommended - with the same external white street lighting (no onboard white light usage on white light models)... Especially that T54IR is a benchmark on this forum... Everyone knows this model and know what is performance at night..."
AFSA increases shutter time to match grid frequency (50 / 60 Hz) and light flickering..
this is why you have reduced noise
H means Heater for glass...
firmware is the same for both, so both have IVS for dummies
difference is Minimal aperture, which gives You better Depth of Field on IL at a cost of light sensitivity.
Dahua don't publish this, but for me based on different resolutions (4/5/8 on -IL, 4/6/8 on -PRO) and differences in WDR specification in both -PRO and -IL, Dahua used DIFFERENT image sensors for both lines..
-PRO is using the same sensors as on TIOC-PRO and HIK Color-VU. -IL is using the same sensors as on WizSense-S/X (5442/7442)..
And this is HOW I treat difference between them. -IL is continuation our beloved 5442, with 5442 image characteristics.. -PRO is continuation of FullColor cams (5449/5849), based on WizColor TIOC-PRO...
on -IL there is no mention of WizColor - so video processing will be different. Digital sharpening and visible noise probably will be very different (much smaller).
-PRO will be more digital with STRONG digital sharpening, strong HDR & image remapping, more noise and Full Color problems (Full Color/Wiz Color/TIOC PRO style).
-IL will be more analog (in 5442 style) with less digital processing and less problematic video...
And for this -IL line can be more a PROFESIONAL solution (even at lower light sensitivity)..
-PRO will be more TOY directed for maximum light recovery at night (at NO cost).
PS. These are my guesses and how I see it. We haven't seen a single photo/video from the -IL series yet, so this is just guesswork.
Tuning the final firmware for both lines could change a lot.
For now we lack any comparison to 5442 or 3449...
Thanks for videos...
1. AcuPick have the same limitations as on 5442 - it use minimum version of Video Meta Data.. No Face records.. No separate plates... I hoped for more on this more powerful SOC...
2. @jmcu - please do videos WITHOUT on camera white lights.. they destroy everything.
Please move camera to place where is SOME street light (or some external WHITE light which works as street light)..
and do comparison video of new 54PRO with 54IR and 34PRO (or even Color4K) using always the same camera settings (especially max shutter times and open apertures).
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Yes, I will move the cameras to a different location with ambient lights, but this was a full dark area to see how the LED and IR looked. We finally got a final release on the FW and I'm sure there will be plenty more as they add in AI SSA and make improvements.
I like the Pro cams in full color in a dark area, great for detection and observation but the noise it too much to be useful.
Also keep in mind the video clips I am putting up are recorded screenshots from the NVR or web GUI then uploaded to YT so it is not the full uncompressed footage downloaded. This is just for ease because I am getting a lot of footage from different cameras for quick comparison and not for total quality.
All of the cams, 54PRO with 54IR and 34PRO, Color4K, and the pro PT are all in the same location. I have footage of all but it was from a month ago when the first FW was shipped and it has changed many times already, so I need to do it all over again.
Coming soon.. hopefully..
I like the Pro cams in full color in a dark area, great for detection and observation but the noise it too much to be useful.
Also keep in mind the video clips I am putting up are recorded screenshots from the NVR or web GUI then uploaded to YT so it is not the full uncompressed footage downloaded. This is just for ease because I am getting a lot of footage from different cameras for quick comparison and not for total quality.
All of the cams, 54PRO with 54IR and 34PRO, Color4K, and the pro PT are all in the same location. I have footage of all but it was from a month ago when the first FW was shipped and it has changed many times already, so I need to do it all over again.
Coming soon.. hopefully..
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bigredfish
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firmware is the same for both, so both have IVS for dummies
difference is Minimal aperture, which gives You better Depth of Field on IL at a cost of light sensitivity.
Dahua don't publish this, but for me based on different resolutions (4/5/8 on -IL, 4/6/8 on -PRO) and differences in WDR specification in both -PRO and -IL, Dahua used DIFFERENT image sensors for both lines..
-PRO is using the same sensors as on TIOC-PRO and HIK Color-VU. -IL is using the same sensors as on WizSense-S/X (5442/7442)..
And this is HOW I treat difference between them. -IL is continuation our beloved 5442, with 5442 image characteristics.. -PRO is continuation of FullColor cams (5449/5849), based on WizColor TIOC-PRO...
on -IL there is no mention of WizColor - so video processing will be different. Digital sharpening and visible noise probably will be very different (much smaller).
-PRO will be more digital with STRONG digital sharpening, strong HDR & image remapping, more noise and Full Color problems (Full Color/Wiz Color/TIOC PRO style).
-IL will be more analog (in 5442 style) with less digital processing and less problematic video...
And for this -IL line can be more a PROFESIONAL solution (even at lower light sensitivity)..
-PRO will be more TOY directed for maximum light recovery at night (at NO cost).
PS. These are my guesses and how I see it. We haven't seen a single photo/video from the -IL series yet, so this is just guesswork.
Tuning the final firmware for both lines could change a lot.
For now we lack any comparison to 5442 or 3449...
Yep
BTW, did anyone else notice the deer running in the background of @jmcu's video ... ;-)