Tioc 2.0 leaving LED on overnight

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Hi,

Just wondering about the durability of the LED in the Tioc 2.0 cameras.
I originally wanted to use them as a kind of sensor light, but it doesn't work very well, as they often don't need to turn on due to how good they are in the dark facepalm

Do people leave the LED on all night?
Ever run into an issue with the LED eventually dying?
Considering leaving my front door one on permanently when it's dark.

Thanks
 

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Hi,

Just wondering about the durability of the LED in the Tioc 2.0 cameras.
I originally wanted to use them as a kind of sensor light, but it doesn't work very well, as they often don't need to turn on due to how good they are in the dark facepalm

Do people leave the LED on all night?
Ever run into an issue with the LED eventually dying?
Considering leaving my front door one on permanently when it's dark.

Thanks
They are made to leave on overnight... Just like IR LEDs. It's the same exact principle.. Will they fail eventually yes. Most LEDs of this type are rated for at least 50,000 hours but I don't think dahua publishes this information regardless your camera will likely become obsolete before the LEDs burn out.
 

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I set the LED on at 20% brightness for 4K-X camera during the winter because there is less light and no bugs when the weather is cold,
but I turn the LED off during the brighter summer nights because it will attract bugs.
 

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Hi,

Just wondering about the durability of the LED in the Tioc 2.0 cameras.
I originally wanted to use them as a kind of sensor light, but it doesn't work very well, as they often don't need to turn on due to how good they are in the dark facepalm

Do people leave the LED on all night?
Ever run into an issue with the LED eventually dying?
Considering leaving my front door one on permanently when it's dark.

Thanks
Isn't the whole point of TIOC 2 that the LED can be set to only turn on when there is motion, at night; instead of all night long? TiOC 2.0
 

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Isn't the whole point of TIOC 2 that the LED can be set to only turn on when there is motion, at night; instead of all night long? TiOC 2.0
Yeah, just in practice it doesn't work that well.

If you have Street lights that provide even low amounts of ambient lighting, the LED seems to rarely activate for me.
They probably would work well if the area was really dark.
 

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Yeah, just in practice it doesn't work that well.

If you have Street lights that provide even low amounts of ambient lighting, the LED seems to rarely activate for me.
They probably would work well if the area was really dark.
Not to sound rude, but have you configured it correctly? Is what is happening is the camera does not think its night time, so does not activate the light? Can you set the light to always trigger with motion between 9pm-5am etc?
 

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Not to sound rude, but have you configured it correctly? Is what is happening is the camera does not think its night time, so does not activate the light? Can you set the light to always trigger with motion between 9pm-5am etc?
Happy to take advice, but as far as I know I've done it correctly.

'smart illumination' allows for warm light on motion detection, however as I've said, a lot of the time with neighbouring lights etc it didn't require the extra light so they don't activate.

I can set to 'warm light mode' and have on automatic, so it will come on and stay on when it's dark outside. This is currently my best option but it seems like overkill to me.

My original plan was for the warm light to come on from my driveway camera when I drove in to provide some extra light, and my front door to come on as I approached to help make it easier with keys and locks etc however I've found the cameras are obviously to good at operating in 'low light' conditions and I'm left fumbling keys in the dark.

I'll probably just stick to leaving the LED's on all night and replace them if they fail
 

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Are you running default/auto settings for exposure, brightness, gain, gamma, etc.?

If so that is the problem - the camera has slowed everything down to give a nice bright static image and it thinks it is too bright to kick the light on.

Change the shutter speed to 1/120 or 1/200 and watch the difference.
 

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Are you running default/auto settings for exposure, brightness, gain, gamma, etc.?

If so that is the problem - the camera has slowed everything down to give a nice bright static image and it thinks it is too bright to kick the light on.

Change the shutter speed to 1/120 or 1/200 and watch the difference.
I see your point.
I'm not overly familiar with those settings though.
Suggestions for what to change?
 

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Here is my "standard" post that many use as a start for dialing in day and night that helps get the clean captures. These are done within the camera GUI thru a web browser.

Every field of view is different, but I have found you need contrast to usually be 6-8 higher than the brightness number at night.

We want the ability to freeze frame capture a clean image from the video at night, and that is only done with a shutter of 1/60 or faster. At night, default/auto may be on 1/12s shutter or worse to make the image bright.

In my opinion, shutter (exposure) and gain are the two most important parameters and then base the others off of it. Shutter is more important than FPS. It is the shutter speed that prevents motion blur, not FPS. 15 FPS is more than enough for surveillance cameras as we are not producing Hollywood movies. Match iframes to FPS. 15FPS is all that is usually needed.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-4ms exposure and 0-30 gain (day)for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared or white light.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night static image results in Casper blur and ghost during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

In the daytime, if it is still too bright, then drop the 4ms down to 3ms then 2ms, etc. You have to play with it for your field of view.

Then at night, if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 16.67ms (but certainly not above 30ms) as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

After every setting adjustment, have someone walk around outside and see if you can freeze-frame to get a clean image. If not, keep changing until you do. Clean motion pictures are what we are after, not a clean static image.
 

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I see your point.
I'm not overly familiar with those settings though.
Suggestions for what to change?
Hey. Have you tried changing the day/night setting from auto to color? This will fix the issue with the illuminator not turning on with movement however you'll find that the light will activate with movements outside your intrusion area e.g. neighbours across the street. Plus in the unlikely event that your streetlight goes out in the middle of the night the illuminator won't turn on full time but should still turn on with any movement. Not a perfect solution but may give you what you want.
 
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