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Camtalkerz104

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Needs for home security

No more than 8 ports needed plan on 4 max in use. POE

Most powerful main cam is this and will be remaining this. Hope to take advantage of AI
4MP Enhanced Starlight Network Mini PTZ Camera (4x Zoom)

I am able to buy 8TB WD Purpz or 12TB if supported.



So here is the OEM - I have noticed these models are not on EBAY and am not sure how to compare them. Since I feel my need is non pro I am looking into this.

Ebay Dahua 4K 16MP 8CH 8PoE AI NVR WizSense 8 Channel Video Recorder NVR4108HS-8P-EI | eBay
Dahua 4K 16MP 8CH 8PoE AI NVR WizSense 8 Channel Video Recorder NVR4108HS-8P-EI

Can anyone help me decide or recommend?
 
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I recommend Empire Tech (@EMPIRETECANDY ) over any eBay vendor any time and for any NVR's or cameras (OEM'ed by Dahua).:headbang:

EmpireTech | Security Protection | Security Cameras & NVRs

Building security systems for home and business offices. Protecting customers' personal safety and property security. All the security cameras and NVRs we sell are of great quality and at affordable prices.
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Camtalkerz104 said:
Needs for home security

No more than 8 ports needed plan on 4 max in use. POE

Most powerful main cam is this and will be remaining this. Hope to take advantage of AI
4MP Enhanced Starlight Network Mini PTZ Camera (4x Zoom)

I am able to buy 8TB WD Purpz or 12TB if supported.



So here is the OEM - I have noticed these models are not on EBAY and am not sure how to compare them. Since I feel my need is non pro I am looking into this.

Ebay Dahua 4K 16MP 8CH 8PoE AI NVR WizSense 8 Channel Video Recorder NVR4108HS-8P-EI | eBay
Dahua 4K 16MP 8CH 8PoE AI NVR WizSense 8 Channel Video Recorder NVR4108HS-8P-EI

Can anyone help me decide or recommend?
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Hi @Camtalkerz104

I like the pro series NVRs from Dahua OEM better ( 5xxx series vs the 4xxx series - haven't kept up with model tho so you may need to ask others about "AI" versions ) .. EmpireTech should have one ..

Also I like to get more ports as typically once you get cameras you realize one camera can not do as much work as you first imagined ..

IF this is your first setup, I recommend getting one good 4MP 1/1.8" sensor varifocal Dahua OEM or hikvision oem camera and a small poe switch, length of cat5e/6 patch cable with 23 or 24 awg copper wires and testing it out. You will learn a lot more this way.



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I would buy from Andy and SKIP EBAY as one NEVER KNOWS "what's inside" just like the
hacked "Dahua" Ebay and Amazon cameras.
 
Ive just ordered one of these brand new Dahua 5000-XI series from Alibaba. Original Dahua Nvr5208-8p-xi 8ch 1u 8poe 2hdds Wizmind Network Video Recorder - Buy Dahua Nvr dahua Network Video Recorder dahua Recorder Product on Alibaba.com

I had settled on the 5000-EI series as I wanted the internal power supply rather than the external brick. Then I saw the XI series and started to dig around.
The XI series from what I can tell, does AI on all channel's v's the previous EI series that could only do it on 1 or 2 channels. Yes I have AI on my Camera's but I figure if im investing in the future ill buy the latest and greatest with the most horsepower that I can afford. I only have 4 cameras, so ive got room to grow if I need it.

Dahua datasheet NVR5208-8P-XI - Dahua International

$342USD with a 30 day lead time.
 
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Ive just ordered one of these brand new Dahua 5000-XI series from Alibaba. Original Dahua Nvr5208-8p-xi 8ch 1u 8poe 2hdds Wizmind Network Video Recorder - Buy Dahua Nvr dahua Network Video Recorder dahua Recorder Product on Alibaba.com

I had settled on the 5000-EI series as I wanted the internal power supply rather than the external brick. Then I saw the XI series and started to dig around.
The XI series from what I can tell, does AI on all channel's v's the previous EI series that could only do it on 1 or 2 channels. Yes I have AI on my Camera's but I figure if im investing in the future ill buy the latest and greatest with the most horsepower that I can afford. I only have 4 cameras, so ive got room to grow if I need it.

Dahua datasheet NVR5208-8P-XI - Dahua International

$342USD with a 30 day lead time.
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Just remember that using the NVR AI instead of the camera AI can severely limit the capabilities of the NVR, and by some parameters in half. Next thing you know you need multiple NVRs.

Just because it is rated for 8 cameras doesn't actually mean it can actually handle 8 cameras if you are maxing everything out.

Where it really matters is bandwidth and decoding. The XI series:

Network BandwidthAI disabled: 384 Mbps incoming, 384 Mbps recording and 384 Mbps outgoing AI enabled: 200 Mbps incoming, 200 Mbps recording and 200 Mbps outgoing
Resolution32 MP; 24 MP; 16 MP; 12 MP; 8 MP; 6 MP; 5 MP; 4 MP; 3 MP; 1080p; 960p; 720p; D1; CIF; QCIF
Decoding CapabilityAI disabled: 2-channel 32 MP@25fps; 2-channel 24 MP@25 fps; 4-channel 16 MP@30 fps; 5-channel 12 MP@30 fps;8-channel 8 MP@30 fps AI enabled: 1-channel 32 MP@25 fps; 1-channel 24 MP@25 fps; 2-channel 16 MP@30 fps; 4-channel 12 MP@30 fps;6-channel 8 MP@30 fps; 8-channel 5 MP@30 fps

Versus the EI series:

Network BandwidthAI disabled: 384 Mbps incoming, 384 Mbps recording and 384 Mbps outgoing
AI enabled: 200 Mbps incoming, 200 Mbps recording and 200 Mbps outgoing
Resolution32 MP; 24 MP; 16 MP; 12 MP; 8 MP; 5 MP; 4 MP; 1080p; 720p; D1; CIF; QCIF
Decoding CapabilityAI disabled:
2-channel 32 MP@25 fps; 2-channel 24 MP@25 fps; 4-channel 16 MP@30 fps; 5-channel 12 MP@30 fps; 8-channel 8 MP@30 fps
AI enabled:
1-channel 32 MP@25 fps; 1-channel 24 MP@25 fps; 2-channel 16 MP@30 fps; 4-channel 12 MP@30 fps;
6-channel 8 MP@30 fps; 8-channel 5 MP@30 fps


As you see, they are the same...and the EI series is AI for 4 cameras on the 8 camera NVR, not 1 or 2.
 
wittaj said:
As you see, they are the same
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On those stat's yes. I was going on stats like:

Perimeter Performance AI - 4 channels vs 8 channels
Face Detection Performance of AI - 2 channels vs 8 channels
Face Recognition Performance of AI by Recorder - 2 channels vs 8 channels

Whether ill use them at all - no idea. I figured id wait an extra month for the newer XI model and a few extra $$$ for the sake of future proofing somewhat.
 
Gdc said:
Ive just ordered one of these brand new Dahua 5000-XI series from Alibaba. Original Dahua Nvr5208-8p-xi 8ch 1u 8poe 2hdds Wizmind Network Video Recorder - Buy Dahua Nvr dahua Network Video Recorder dahua Recorder Product on Alibaba.com

Dahua datasheet NVR5208-8P-XI - Dahua International

$342USD with a 30 day lead time.
Click to expand...
Thats the best deal around for 5 series. Let us know how the bug or hack audit goes. I dont know what I am talking about, just repeating it from here.
 
The NVR5208-8P-XI arrived yesterday and its a weapon. Spent a fair bit of time setting up a new VLAN and firewalling the daylights out of it....

Ive only just started exploring the features.

The only bugbear so far, is like every other Dahua Camera & NVR is being a MacOS household is a pain. I need to spend some time building a Windows virtual machine so I can install the plugin and utilise all of the AI features (draw IVS tripwire lines etc). Even using SmartPSS you dont get access to all the features (as far as I can tell).
 
I got the 4108HS as above...... that isnt a LITE Series...and put in a New Model 12TB WD Purpz - No problem attached to a 4mp Mini PTZ Dome. Looks like a few features are not going to work with this cam but my needs are not that high. Have not really dived into yet.

There are alot of options for a small windows PC for just basic device connectivity. Its really laughable what we can do now. I have Mac OS too in some machines and there is no way I would consider VM software in there. MS has taken over VM software inside Windows. Anyone with a job can find a decent used windows PC at a computer shop for under $200 or less.....esp just for connectivity. Plus windows 10 and higher are much more safer environments now. Apples argument on that has been degraded.
 
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