Pandemic threat? Anyone else concerned?

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Has anyone heard what a dose of these vaccines cost? Just answered my own question. The Pfizer is $19.50 per dose, $39 for the treatment. Moderna is $27-$39 per dose, $54-$78 for the treatment. Why they have a price range beats me. Astra-Zeneca is $3 to $4 per dose, $6 to $8 for the treatment. J&J is $10 dose/treatment. Not as pricey as I expected. Source for the pricing is Motley Fool.
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This is why I've been recommending friends, family, and colleagues to opt for mRNA vaccines. Its been almost 50 years in the making, tons of research and development to get this far. mRNA Vaccines are far safer than conventional vaccines even though we don't quite know the long term effects. mRNA vaccines do not have any influence on DNA. The mRNA vaccines simply carry the instructions for making the specific spike (S) protein (non virulent form) so that the body can develop the necessary antibodies "in abundance"

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This is why I've been recommending friends, family, and colleagues to opt for mRNA vaccines. Its been almost 50 years in the making, tons of research and development to get this far. mRNA Vaccines are far safer than conventional vaccines even though we don't quite know the long term effects. mRNA vaccines do not have any influence on DNA. The mRNA vaccines simply carry the instructions for making the specific spike (S) protein (non virulent form) so that the body can develop the necessary antibodies "in abundance"
Indeed @Arjun

I have also been recommending my family and friends to go the mRNA route. Far better in my view..
 

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And yet mRNA had never been approved before for what reason????

It is interesting finding studies about mRNA that were published prior to the pandemic being a thing...

Here is gem from one in 2018 - "When mRNA is injected into the body, it triggers virus-detecting immune sensors. That event causes cells to shut down protein production, thus foiling the therapy. And even if the molecule makes it into the cell—another challenge that has long vexed drug delivery experts—the mRNA might not make enough protein to actually be useful."


Translation - we in the US are guinea pigs on something that hasn't been tried and using this pandemic as a cover to try something they couldn't get approved in over 3 decades - maybe it ends up working or maybe it has unintended consequences years later like causing cancer... Since they haven't figured out the challenge, they just overdosed it and made it two shots hoping it takes...Other countries are quick to try and perform procedures that the US hasn't approved and every year millions of people leave the US for a medical procedure that is not approved in the US but is elsewhere...and these same countries are not approving use of mRNA....

In addition to traveling in order to save money, some medical tourists plan trips because they want to have a treatment that’s not approved in the United States - More than one million Americans will leave the US for medical care this year

Meanwhile, the J&J and Astrazeneca uses methods that have been used and administered previously....and then what I posted yesterday a study that shows that the numbers show that the bloodclot risk with mRNA (4 per 1 million) is actually higher than the J&J (1 in 1million)....yet we never saw a pause for the mRNA that we all know Fauci had his hands into: "This messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine, which is part of a new approach to vaccination, was co-developed by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)."

The J&J uses the method previously used on other virus vaccines for humans and the mRNA hasn't...and when Fauci has had his hands in mRNA and they have been unsuccessful in the past making it work to successfully do a trial, the pandemic is being used to test a method not previously approved...hopefully at the end of the day it proves successful with no long-term unintended consequences, but we just do not know that yet. And it is telling when the US is historically the last country to approve a procedure or medicine, yet we were the first to approve mRNA....
 
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Meanwhile, the J&J and Astrazeneca uses methods that have been used and administered previously....and then what I posted yesterday a study that shows that the numbers show that the bloodclot risk with mRNA (4 per 1 million) is actually higher than the J&J (1 in 1million)....yet we never saw a pause for the mRNA..
imho I do not think we should have paused on the Aztrezeneca nor J&J vaccines ... especially for elderly, the risk of COVID-19 for the elderly in my family far exceed the risks from the vaccines.

For those who are younger, the balance of risk / reward while still in favor in most cases for vaccination - is not as well defined.
 
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Hey, if you're not intelligent enough to listen to scientists instead of youtube experts, hope you're not going to complain when you either die or require advanced healthcare... or someone you love gets covid.
Maybe it's an American thing? I haven't seen a lot of intelligence out there....
 

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Hey, if you're not intelligent enough to listen to scientists instead of youtube experts, hope you're not going to complain when you either die or require advanced healthcare... or someone you love gets covid.
Maybe it's an American thing? I haven't seen a lot of intelligence out there....
Hahahahahahahahaha, thank you for my morning laugh....Intelligence, Hahahaha, too funny. Pretty sure I won't be complaining when I dead, LOL. Actually we have had several in our family get Covid, two are in their 70s who join the other 99.7% Survivors in the world...

"Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?" 1 Corinthians 15:55

When it's time for my Creator to call me to His Kingdom, I will run to Him with open arms...

Be careful of the spirit of fear, it is not from our Lord, the Creator, but rather from the creature, the Deceiver

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." 2 Timothy 1:7

David, I pray your eyes and ears become open to the Truth...
 
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Hey, if you're not intelligent enough to listen to scientists instead of youtube experts, hope you're not going to complain when you either die or require advanced healthcare... or someone you love gets covid.
Maybe it's an American thing? I haven't seen a lot of intelligence out there....
HI @davidelsbury

I see a lot of Americans having less trust now after the main stream media has constantly been used to manipulate people's perceptions.

American's have been lied to by their leaders and the press repeatedly and too frequently of recent.

Thus, Americans now are even more distrustful of the information provided to them by the main stream media and official sources.

Because of this, I know many of my relatives who are not believing even their doctors with regards to vaccination, and this does make me saddened as some of those family members are getting up in their ages and their risk level vs Covid-19 is rather high. This even though a number of other elders in the family passed away from COVID-19. I am less concerned about those in the family under 50, as those younger typically do well if they have good levels of vitamin-D and do not have significant comorbidities. ( I know a lot more than others since I've invested a lot of time determining which information channels are more likely to be accurate / truthful - but that has been a part time job to keep track of the information providers and determine the liars vs those who attempt to be truthful. )

Here's a good example from Island next to you covering the issue ( you may not like Sky News Au but they do illustrate this issue well )

 

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Hey, if you're not intelligent enough to listen to scientists instead of youtube experts, hope you're not going to complain when you either die or require advanced healthcare... or someone you love gets covid.
Maybe it's an American thing? I haven't seen a lot of intelligence out there....
Do you mean the scientists who said there was no need to wear a mask until there was a need to wear a mask? Or the ones who said to disinfect surfaces until it wasn't necessary to disinfect surfaces? Or the ones who said the shot provides 100% protection from death from covid until deaths started happening? Yet somebody who doesn't want to take a shot that hasn't gone through the normal regulatory process and has unknown long term effects has no intelligence? Some of these no intelligence people even have a few brain cells that remember Thalidomide .
 

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Here's what looks like a scientific study that I interpret as saying masks do more harm than good. Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis
Not personally having any technical knowledge of the subject, how am I supposed to know what to believe when different scientists tell me opposite things? Or is this a bogus study disguised as science? Is it ok that it's not from youtube? Here in the USA we know that covid is used as a major political weapon, the government routinely lies to us, and the mainstream press routinely lies to us. What I view as a lack of intelligence is believing what we're told from government agencies or the press without seeking out and considering alternative views.
 

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Here's what looks like a scientific study that I interpret as saying masks do more harm than good. Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis
Not personally having any technical knowledge of the subject, how am I supposed to know what to believe when different scientists tell me opposite things? Or is this a bogus study disguised as science? Is it ok that it's not from youtube? Here in the USA we know that covid is used as a major political weapon, the government routinely lies to us, and the mainstream press routinely lies to us. What I view as a lack of intelligence is believing what we're told from government agencies or the press without seeking out and considering alternative views.
Amen brother, well said...Keep in mind, Socialist are use to just excepting what is thrown their way with out questioning validity.

So I shared this awhile back but there is a nurse we know at a very Big well known hospital in Houston, which I won't mention, who had informed us of the severity of higher than normal CO2 levels the staff is experiencing from wearing mask 8-12 hours a day. Ironically their treatment is ventilators. My father had high CO2 levels too back last year before he passed, they had him on a ventilator type machine where they set 5 Oxygen In and 15 CO2 Out to try to get the excess CO2 out of his lungs/system. He did not have Covid, he was in for Congestive Heart Failure, his Oxygen levels were low too. They said low Oxygen was easier to treat than high CO2 levels. After a few days they got his CO2 levels down.

Point is; Mask are not meant to be worn all day, there is a reason Hospital staff did not wear mask all day prior to Covid.
 

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What The CDC's VAERS Database Reveals About "Adverse" Post-Vaccine Reactions | ZeroHedge
Latest VAERS Data Show Reports of Blood Clotting Disorders After All Three Emergency Use Authorization Vaccines • Children's Health Defense

Data released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on the number of injuries and deaths reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) following COVID vaccines revealed reports of blood clots and other related blood disorders associated with all three vaccines approved for Emergency Use Authorization in the U.S. — Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson (J&J). So far, only the J&J vaccine has been paused because of blood clot concerns.

VAERS is the primary mechanism for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the U.S. Reports submitted to VAERS require further investigation before a causal relationship can be confirmed.

Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received through a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date. Today’s data show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 8, a total of 68,347 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 2,602 deaths — an increase of 260 over the previous week — and 8,285 serious injuries, up 314 since last week.
 
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