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Hi all! I'm looking to put a security camera system around my house and eventually around different parts of my property (15+ acres). The purpose would mainly be to keep an eye on things and be notified of intruders. I don't think I need license plate reading or facial recognition.

I have some experience with computers and networking, but I'm completely new to the world of IP cameras. I've also never actually drilled a hole through a wall of my house or dug a trench for cabling before. :)

I joined this site in hopes of connecting with people who share my interests and who can give me pointers on my journey.
 

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Welcome to the enchanted land of video surveillance lunatics, good guys, nut jobs and miscreants (yes, I fit into at least three categories). There are a lot of knowledgeable people on here and knowledge and experience are shared constantly. That's how I got to be a lunatic (already a nut job and miscreant).

Start out by looking in the WiKi in the blue bar at the top of the page. There's a ton of very useful information in there and it needs to be viewed on a computer, not a phone or tablet. The Cliff Notes will be of particular interest although the camera models listed there are a generation old at this point. The best way to determine what kind of camera you need in each location and where each location should really be is to buy one varifocal camera first and set up a test stand for it that can be easily moved around. Test using that, viewing using the web interface of the camera, during the day and at night. Have someone walk around behaving like a miscreant and see if you can identify them. There is also information for choosing hardware and securing the system along with a whole bunch of other good stuff.

Don't chase megapixels unless you have a really BIG budget. Chase sensor size and bigger is better. To confuse you more sensor sizes are listed in fractions so do the basic math to be sure, 1/2.7 is bigger than 1/2.8 or 1/3. General rule of thumb is that a 4MP camera will easily outperform an 8MP camera when they both have the same sensor size. Reason being that there are twice as many pixels in the 8MP versus the 4MP. This results in only half the available light getting to each pixel in an 8MP that a pixel in the 4MP "sees".

A dedicated PC doesn't need to be either expensive to purchase or to run. A used business class machine can be had from eBay and various other sources. The advances made in Blue Iris make it easily possible to run a fairly large system on relatively inexpensive hardware which also makes power consumption low, as in under 50 watts in many cases. The biggest expenses turn out to be hard drives for storing video and a PoE switch to power the cameras and, of course, the cameras themselves.

The three basic rules of video surveillance cameras-

Rule #1 - Cameras multiply like rabbits.
Rule #2 - Cameras are more addictive than drugs.
Rule #3 - You never have enough cameras.

Quick guide -

The smaller the lux number the better the low light performance. 0.002 is better than 0.02
The smaller the "F" of the lens the better the low light performance. F1.4 is better than F1.8
The larger the sensor the better the low light performance. 1/1.8" is better (bigger) than 1/2.7"
The higher the megapixels for the same size sensor the worse the low light performance. A 4MP camera with a 1/1.8" sensor will perform better than a 8MP camera with that same 1/1.8" sensor.

720P - 1/3" = .333"
2MP - 1/2.8" = .357" (think a .38 caliber bullet)
4MP - 1/1.8" = .555" (bigger than a .50 caliber bullet or ball)
8MP - 1/1.2" = .833" (bigger than a 20mm chain gun round)

Don't believe all the marketing hype no matter who makes the camera. Don't believe those nice night time captures they all use. Look for videos, with motion, to determine low light performance. Any camera can be made to "see" color at night if the exposure time is long enough, as in half a second or longer. Rule of thumb, the shutter speed needs to be at 1/60 or higher to get night video without blurring.

Read the reviews here, most include both still shots and video.

Avoid Reolink, Foscam, SV3C, Nest, and all the other consumer grade cameras. They all struggle mightily at night and never get anything useful on video. Here's a link to a whole thread debunking Reolink in particular.

Compiled by mat200 -

Avoid WiFi cameras, even doorbell cameras. WiFi is not designed for the constant, 24/7, load of video that a surveillance camera produces. At best, with two cameras on WiFi, they will still experience dropouts multiple times daily. Murphy's Law says that will happen at the worst possible moment.

Lens size, focal length, is another critical factor. Many people like the wide, sweeping, views of a 2.8mm lens but be aware that identification is problematic with a lens that wide. Keep in mind that it may take two cameras, or more, to provide the coverage you need or desire. Another factor that effects view angles is the sensor size. Typically larger sensors will have a larger field of view in any given lens size.

The 5442 series of cameras by Dahua is the current "king of the hill". They are 4MP and capable of color with some ambient light at night. The 2231 series is a less expensive alternative in 2MP and does not have audio capabilities, no built in microphone, but is easier on the budget. The 3241T-ZAS has similar spcs as the 2231 and has audio. There are also cameras available from the IPCT Store right here on the forum and from Nelly's Security who has a thread in the vendors section.

Review - 8MP 1/1.2" sensor full color camera


5442 Reviews

Review - Loryata (Dahua OEM) IPC-T5442T-ZE varifocal Turret

Review - OEM IPC-B5442E-ZE 4MP AI Varifocal Bullet Camera With Starlight+

Review-OEM 4mp AI Cam IPC-T5442TM-AS Starlight+ Turret

Review IPC-T5442TM-AS-LED (Turret, Full Color, Starlight+)

Review: IPC-HDBW5442R-ASE-NI - Dahua Technology Pro AI Bullet Network Camera

2231 Review
Review-OEM IPC-T2231RP-ZS 2mp Varifocal Turret Starlight Camera

3241T-ZAS Review

Less expensive models -

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Great detailed info, thanks sebastiantombs!

The point about eventually wanting lots of cameras is well taken, as are the points about avoiding wifi and buying a camera to test with under realistic conditions. I bought Blue Iris, and I have built PCs before as well as purchased used ones on eBay and elsewhere, so I think I will be OK on that front. I'm fine with buying drives and rive enclosures. I may need some help with PoE switches once I get to that point. (I will probably get a 64 port to leave room for expansion, once I figure out what I'm doing.)

Regarding the cameras themselves, I don't think I will need sound. It's a rural property and I guess most of the sound would be wind or animal related. I also don't think I will need facial recognition or license plate recognition.

I think that it would make sense to use the same camera model everywhere as much as possible. This should simplify firmware updates and other management tasks.

Question: Will the Dahua cameras work well if they are exposed to wind, rain, sun, and even some snow, or will I need to build some kind of extra housing? I'm thinking of the cameras that will be placed somewhere out on my property, away from the house.

If so, I guess my next step is just to buy one or two cameras, maybe a Dahua 5542 and 2231, though I'd have to figure out which version, and test them out in different locations and at different times of day, using cables routed above ground going to POE adapters in the garage.
 

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Dahua cameras, and all modern outdoor rated cameras, are weather tight. I have two mounted to trees in the front yard and three on the sides of a shed in the back yard. That applies to both bullet and turret form factors. You do need to be meticulous when weatherproofing the RJ45 connector of the camera. A dab of dielectric grease on the pins of the connector before plugging it it, self amalgamating tape and quality electrical tape in overlapping layers over the entire cable gland an onto the cables is minimal. A mounting box is a good idea as well, and even then the same weatherproofing needs to be applied to the RJ45 connection.

Depending on your budget either the 5442 or 2231 are excellent choice, IMHO. I have both and prefer the 5442 series simply because of the higher resolution it provides.

You said your not concerned about facial recognition. You may want to rethink that. What good is catching someone doing something, either good or bad, and not being able to identify them? Proper ID is a key to good surveillance.

Also, keep in mind that cameras are for surveillance. Alarm systems are for security. I do use several cameras as an alarm to notify me of people/vehicles approaching, but that is secondary to their primary duty of surveillance.
 
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Welcome, you are off to a great start, all good advice precedes this post. All my research led me to Blue Iris and EmpireTech (Dahua) cameras. I came here one year ago set on a NVR and Hikvision.

I currently record 24/7 with four Dahua on a WD 4TB Purple and my built PC uses a Ryzen 2700, everything works great. MY OS & BI sit on a M2 NVMe separate drive. Any snags or snafus along the way get answered when I post questions, one of the reasons I defaulted to BI and Dahua, it seems to be the most widely used by the experts on this site.

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My IPC-T5442T-ZE camera is working with my POE hub and its video feed is showing up in Blue Iris. Now I want to move the camera outside so I can try it in different locations, but to do that I need to figure out how to run an ethernet cable from inside my house to outside with messing up the weather proofing or causing some kind of leak. Can anyone point me to some good references or tutorials?
 

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There's another thread, the name of which I can't remember right now, discussing this. If you have a basement with a Bilco door there's usually a gap where the two panels meet that a CAT cable can be routed through without damaging it. Alternately, if you have double hung windows get a couple of pieces of closed cell foam that's used to seal a window that has a window air conditioner in it. The foam is about two inches square and three feet long. Cut a piece to the full width of the bottom of the window opening. Run the cable out the window and close the window, snugly not hard, to compress and seal with the foam. Add a second piece at the top of the sash to seal that gap. Cut a couple piece of 1x2 to length to fit between the top of the lower sash and the inside of the top of the window frame. Use those to wedge the window closed to prevent unauthorized opening. Sounds complicated but only takes about 15 minutes to do. All you need is scissors to cut the foam and a saw to cut the 1x2. A tape measure helps too.
 

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My IPC-T5442T-ZE camera is working with my POE hub and its video feed is showing up in Blue Iris. Now I want to move the camera outside so I can try it in different locations, but to do that I need to figure out how to run an ethernet cable from inside my house to outside with messing up the weather proofing or causing some kind of leak. Can anyone point me to some good references or tutorials?
 

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My IPC-T5442T-ZE camera is working with my POE hub and its video feed is showing up in Blue Iris. Now I want to move the camera outside so I can try it in different locations, but to do that I need to figure out how to run an ethernet cable from inside my house to outside with messing up the weather proofing or causing some kind of leak. Can anyone point me to some good references or tutorials?
Hi @GoldLeader

Tell us more about the construction of the home ..

Some new homes have nice house wrap which we do want to be careful not to damage ..
 
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