Israel attacked by Hamas...

Hamas won this war two years ago.
He knew what would be Israel response in advance and what would be the reaction of other nation to Israel response.
Hamas also knew Israel will not be able to save the hostages or eradicate Hamas.
I think Israel also knew that, but they did not have any good moves, it's like going into a trap in chess, once you did the first mistake you're bound to lose.
 
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d5775927 said:
Hamas won this war two years ago.
He knew what would be Israel response in advance and what would be the reaction of other nation to Israel response.
Hamas also knew Israel will not be able to save the hostages or eradicate Hamas.
I think Israel also knew that, but they did not have any good moves, it's like going into a trap in chess, once you did the first mistake you're bound to lose.
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Hamas just one piece of the puzzle .. we can add Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis also ..

I am not certain how to evaluate the entire Iran vs Israel War here, certainly from what I can tell Team Iran has lost a lot of the battles so far
 
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Israel is looking to expand their territory by 10X's of times more than Russia is falsely accused of wanting.

If it were any other country there would be widespread condemnation.

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^^^ Looking like this is fake/not true...

 
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d5775927 said:
Hamas won this war two years ago.
He knew what would be Israel response in advance and what would be the reaction of other nation to Israel response.
Hamas also knew Israel will not be able to save the hostages or eradicate Hamas.
I think Israel also knew that, but they did not have any good moves, it's like going into a trap in chess, once you did the first mistake you're bound to lose.
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I think the people of Gaza who call themselves Palestinians are a huge problem with their Kill the Jews Ideology. Which in my opinion came from Iran who funds them. The Oct. 7 campaign, like you said, was well planned as with the outcome, Israel's response.

Now what does Israel do with Gaza, the people? I don't buy into Israel is deliberately starving them, that is Israel's plan??? Of course not...

How do you stop their embedded Hate for the Jewish people?
 
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bigredfish said:
The patch may or may not be real, (misses the point) the concept is quite real and it’s being carried out

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It’s Time to Confront Israel’s Version of “From the River to the Sea”

Far from being a mere slogan, the phrase captures both the longtime ambitions of the Israeli right and the reality Israel has imposed on Palestine since 1967.
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Greater Israel: an Ongoing Expansion Plan for the Middle East and North Africa – MEPEI

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I know Israel is small, one part of Israel is only 12 miles wide. But they are not over populated. When the wife and I were there about 15 years ago, it reminded us of Texas, that is much of the land is not populated...why Israel would want more desert land does not make sense unless it is to widen their borders from their enemies.

Truthfully I do not know though, this is just my opinion and what makes sense to me.

I still have the original question, how did Israel with all of it's security, believe me they have some of the best in the world, miss the planned Hamas attack Oct. 7
 
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^^^ Agreed
 
bigredfish said:
Israel is looking to expand their territory by 10X's of times more than Russia is falsely accused of wanting.

If it were any other country there would be widespread condemnation.

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I do not see how this greater Israel is a possibility.

Israel gave up the Sinai .. which if there was enough support for greater Israel it never should have happened.

I can see Israel expanding to the west bank.

Otherwise Israel already gave up on their allies holding the buffer zone in Lebanon, iirc was a Christian militia group of some sort.
 
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bigredfish said:
i'm not smart enough or hopefully evil enough to fully understand the why's

But I think we've been lied to about such things beyond our wildest imagination.
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I stand with Tonga, LOL, just noticed that. Who is Tonga? LMAO, you crack me up...

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bigredfish said:
Israel is looking to expand their territory by 10X
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No.
Israel have peace agreement with Jordan, which both ends benefit from it.
Israel looks to expand behyond its border to avoid what happened in October 7. Meaning, need to keep a buffer zone instead of a small area of border.
But this is not needed with Jordan because unlike Gaza/Lebanon/Syria they don't pose a threat.
 
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mat200 said:
Hamas just one piece of the puzzle .. we can add Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis also ..

I am not certain how to evaluate the entire Iran vs Israel War here, certainly from what I can tell Team Iran has lost a lot of the battles so far
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Yes, Iran and Hezbollah paid a price.
However, I expect a second round in the 2 or 3 upcoming years.
BTW, Israel also paid a price, people don't want to live near the border or even live in Israel.

Other thing that you learn from this fight is that, sometimes having big bombs or stealth jets is not enough.
The Houthis and Hamas simply dig tunnels and use the civilians as a shield, this make all the advance weapon obsolete.

They also use rather cheap and precise missiles/drones which makes this war uneconomical to Israel.
Having boots on the ground is also not feasible, because of fighting a military with no uniform hiding in tunnels/rubble/civilian structures.
 
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David L said:
I am with you there...were both attacks allowed so war can be waged?
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It's very possible some actors benefit from this war, either the mediators that work with Qatar or other military industry.
But it's hard for me to believe there is such a deep corruption, a person who knew that knew the price will be the life of thousands Israelis in exchange for money he will receive.
 
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d5775927 said:
It's very possible some actors benefit from this war, either the mediators that work with Qatar or other military industry.
But it's hard for me to believe there is such a deep corruption, a person who knew that knew the price will be the life of thousands Israelis in exchange for money he will receive.
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Understood, it is hard for us to believe what happen during 911 too. But there are many questions still to this day unanswered. Only reason I question Oct. 7 is Gaza has been a big problem for Israel, first with suicide bombers, then rockets daily. We lost around three thousand during 911, but it allowed us to enter a war to eradicate future threats. Gaza War seems very similar...in this regard...

Is your borders that unsecure that 1000 Hamas soldiers/terrorist can just breach the wall and come into Israel that easily?

Again, this is just the way I see it...
 
David L said:
Understood, it is hard for us to believe what happen during 911 too. But there are many questions still to this day unanswered. Only reason I question Oct. 7 is Gaza has been a big problem for Israel, first with suicide bombers, then rockets daily. We lost around three thousand during 911, but it allowed us to enter a war to eradicate future threats. Gaza War seems very similar...in this regard...

Is your borders that unsecure that 1000 Hamas soldiers/terrorist can just breach the wall and come into Israel that easily?

Again, this is just the way I see it...
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It always easier to attack than defend, especially when you have people living less than a mile from the border.

If Mexicans wanted to breach the US border, to attack the US, I'm sure they can succeed.
You cannot defend the border 24/7, especially if it's breached from multiple places concurrently.
However, no one sane will do that to the US, because the response will be very non proportional and no other nation will even say a word regarding the US response.
Also, Mexicans are much more sane than Gazans or Houthis.

So basically you cannot rely on intel or advanced tech to stop terrorist that live in tunnels less than a mile from your border.
 
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