IPC-Color4M-TL IVS birds and foxes detected as humas.

[Azbo]

Hi all,

I've recently upgraded some of my older TIOC 1 cameras to IPC-Color4M-T TIOC 3 models. I'm now getting a lot of birds, foxes and other animals being detected as humans when only using ivs (smd disabled). It's the first time I've setup dahua cameras that use web 5.0 so not sure if I'm missing a setting somewhere or if this is the expected behaviour. This never happened when using ivs on the TIOC 1 cameras (HFW3249T1P-AS-PV) which were in the same locations. I've tried with both AcuPick enabled and disable and still get false detections, but it does seem to be worse with AcuPick disabled. It's happening on multiple cameras and I'm currently running firmware System Version 3.140.0000000.10.RBuild Date: 2025-02-26.

Here is an example video:




IVS Settings:



Any help or advise would be much appreciated.

 

[97JeepXJ]

Use the minimum target to draw a box larger than an animal but smaller than a human

 

[Chokolinho]

Sens to 10.

 

[bigredfish]

I can’t recall, does that camera have VMD?

Are you recording to an NVR? Are you sure the NVR doesn’t have an Animal filter enabled ?

Often VMD is enabled by default and should be disabled on the smart plan if IVS is the intended trigger mechanism

VMD will pickup most anything that moves within the filter parameters and can’t differentiate between a bird and a cat

 

[steve1225]

no, TIOC-PRO don't have VMD...

basic IVS plus basic AcuPick 1.0 (no VMD descriptions)...

there should be firmware upgrade to TIOC-PRO with long distance mode (large AI models) for IVS in some future...

 

[Azbo]

Use the minimum target to draw a box larger than an animal but smaller than a human

I was considering this, the only small issues is that some of the birds have been triggered while flying close to the cameras so for these instances a min box will not help. I'm guessing this will at least cut down on 95% of false triggers.

Sens to 10.

Wouldn't this increase my false alerts?

I can’t recall, does that camera have VMD?

Are you recording to an NVR? Are you sure the NVR doesn’t have an Animal filter enabled ?

Often VMD is enabled by default and should be disabled on the smart plan if IVS is the intended trigger mechanism

VMD will pickup most anything that moves within the filter parameters and can’t differentiate between a bird and a cat

As steve mention no VMD

no, TIOC-PRO don't have VMD...

basic IVS plus basic AcuPick 1.0 (no VMD descriptions)...

there should be firmware upgrade to TIOC-PRO with long distance mode (large AI models) for IVS in some future...

That's good to know. Do you have any idea why I didn't have this issue on my older TOIC 1 cameras? Have dahua changed something on this newer line of cameras? Is this the expected behaviour or is it possible the firmware has issues? I was expecting better from the human detection and genuinely shocked that these cameras are picking up birds as humans.

 

[steve1225]

That's good to know. Do you have any idea why I didn't have this issue on my older TOIC 1 cameras? Have dahua changed something on this newer line of cameras? Is this the expected behaviour or is it possible the firmware has issues? I was expecting better from the human detection and genuinely shocked that these cameras are picking up birds as humans.

different firmware..
you have option to select minimum size for object in IVS configuration - use it.
Draw area bigger than animal, smaller that human..

 

[Azbo]

different firmware..
you have option to select minimum size for object in IVS configuration - use it.
Draw area bigger than animal, smaller that human..

Thanks, yes I'm going to setup this option now.


Could I ask you a questions regarding AcuPick and if it has any impact on human detection. I don't have use for AcuPick in regards to it's search capabilities but wanted to know if having enabled does indeed help with human detection. I ask because from my testing I seem to get more false human triggers when AcuPick is disabled. I'm not sure if this is just a coincidence or if AcuPick helps.

 

[steve1225]

Thanks, yes I'm going to setup this option now.


Could I ask you a questions regarding AcuPick and if it has any impact on human detection. I don't have use for AcuPick in regards to it's search capabilities but wanted to know if having enabled does indeed help with human detection. I ask because from my testing I seem to get more false human triggers when AcuPick is disabled. I'm not sure if this is just a coincidence or if AcuPick helps.

In my testing (mostly on 5442) AcuPick 2.0 increases a lot false positives - but not for IVS, but for Video Meta Data.
You don't have AcuPick 2.0 / Video Meta Data - so it should not be a problem.

Use what works best for you.

 

[Azbo]

In my testing (mostly on 5442) AcuPick 2.0 increases a lot false positives - but not for IVS, but for Video Meta Data.
You don't have AcuPick 2.0 / Video Meta Data - so it should not be a problem.

Use what works best for you.

Perfect, thank you for your help.

 

[Azbo]

Steve if it's not too much trouble, could you explain more about what Large Scale AI-Modles and the Global Sensitivity setting please. I've updated to the latest firmware so now have these options.

 

[bigredfish]

Steve if it's not too much trouble, could you explain more about what Large Scale AI-Modles and the Global Sensitivity setting please. I've updated to the latest firmware so now have these options.

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Is that the 4M-T or TL with no IR?

 

[steve1225]

Steve if it's not too much trouble, could you explain more about what Large Scale AI-Modles and the Global Sensitivity setting please. I've updated to the latest firmware so now have these options.

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Build from scratch new much bigger AI models, using modern science about training more like in OpenAI..
Previous ones were 4-6 year old...

they should have better filter rate.. and work for bigger distances..
they should have better support for animals with animal type differentation (in higher camera models)...

ps. please be aware that Large AI models disables AI-ISP in TIOC-PRO (3449-PRO). That model don't have power to support both functions at once..

 

[steve1225]

Is that the 4M-T or TL with no IR?

only TIOC-PRO 3449 - so -T with hybrid LEDs...

Andy (@EMPIRETECANDY), please clean up your model naming. Using the same Color4M model name for three completely different Dahua camera series (2449, 3449, 5459, in future will be new 7459) leads to major confusion.

As I already suggested in DM, let's name these new WizColor Pro cameras like:

• 24PRO (IPC-T24PRO-AS)
• 34PRO (IPC-T34PRO-AS, IPC-B34PRO-ZE)
• 54PRO (IPC-T54PRO-AS, IPC-B54PRO-ZE)

The system is identical to the one used today for the 54IR/74IR, supporting different lines/models, resolutions (54PRO vs 56PRO vs 58PRO), housing types, and lenses.

Dahua calls all new WizColor hybrid light cams as PRO.
Everyone will easily understand that the 54PRO is better than the 34PRO, and the latter is better than the 24PRO.

 

[bigredfish]

Thx

 

[Chokolinho]

A quick question. I have bought a WD Purple with 4Tb. Do I have to pay attention to anything or just remove and install all the cables and reconnect everything as it was?

 

[tigerwillow1]

A quick question. I have bought a WD Purple with 4Tb. Do I have to pay attention to anything or just remove and install all the cables and reconnect everything as it was?

You need to say what you're installing it in. I don't do this often enough to give specific advice, but at the high level, I believe the answer is if it's an NVR just plug it in and go, and if it's BI you need to do some additional configuration work.

 

[Chokolinho]

You need to say what you're installing it in. I don't do this often enough to give specific advice, but at the high level, I believe the answer is if it's an NVR just plug it in and go, and if it's BI you need to do some additional configuration work.

Thanks for the answer. I have already done it.