bigredfish
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So you should have it installed and get us sample footage by Friday then?
I like this PTZ.. HikVision - DS-2DF8C260I5XG-ELW 1/1.2" progressive scan CMOS @ 2mp.
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tech101
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As long as Andy's 1 month lead time on these somehow ends by Thursday Jan the 4th sure lol
So exciting to read this thread felt almost like I'm the one buying the new camera!
I can't wait to see some night videos of this camera as well.
tech101
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I plan on replacing the top PTZ with this new camera. So it be nice to compare it directly with the PTZ Below as that is the 4/3 @ 8MP
alekk
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Ditto what these guys said!
@bigredfish - "It should be a light sucking MONSTER!"
@wittaj - "Go with the 2MP and the larger focal length - winner every time"
I presume that 2MP uses up the entire1/1.2" sensor (not a sub-section!) that has the latest technology combined with "Max Aperture of F/1.6" ... so pretty darn decent.
Too bad for us mere mortals that it's a "big boy" camera ... with a "big boy" price ... although I can certainly understand how that is what you want for certain applications.
I'd love to see that sensor in a 4X (instead of 60X) camera ... which might allow you to do a F/1.0 lens.
Remove the PTZ ... which should allow it to be priced at less than a 1/5 of the cost ... which would sell like hotcakes.
Thanks @tech101 for spending the big bucks to give us a report ... ;-)
And I'm jealous of your large sensor camera's!
@bigredfish - "It should be a light sucking MONSTER!"
@wittaj - "Go with the 2MP and the larger focal length - winner every time"
I presume that 2MP uses up the entire1/1.2" sensor (not a sub-section!) that has the latest technology combined with "Max Aperture of F/1.6" ... so pretty darn decent.
Too bad for us mere mortals that it's a "big boy" camera ... with a "big boy" price ... although I can certainly understand how that is what you want for certain applications.
I'd love to see that sensor in a 4X (instead of 60X) camera ... which might allow you to do a F/1.0 lens.
Remove the PTZ ... which should allow it to be priced at less than a 1/5 of the cost ... which would sell like hotcakes.
Thanks @tech101 for spending the big bucks to give us a report ... ;-)
And I'm jealous of your large sensor camera's!
tech101
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Is there a way we can find about say "2MP uses up the entire1/1.2" sensor (not a sub-section!) " ??
Update - I just asked Andy maybe he can find out this detail Will wait for his answer. I am hoping it is the entire sensor and not sub section because than 4mp will make sense right ?
Parley
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I have to agree with you. This is indeed exciting. The manufactures have made a lot of progress since the 4/3" 8MP PTZ came out. The comparison will be quite interesting.So exciting to read this thread felt almost like I'm the one buying the new camera!
I can't wait to see some night videos of this camera as well.
ljw2k
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Interested in seeing the clips from this camera and can get it here for the below minus a little discount and a Hikvision UK 5 year warranty.
tech101
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One thing I just noticed now .. On the lux Rating does the 1 1.2 Camera at 8mp looks better on paper ??
I am confused or Am I reading this lux rating wrong. ? Sorry do NOT understand lux ratings that well.
www.hikvision.com
DS-2DF8C260I5XG-ELW
2MP HikVision - Min. Illumination Color: 0.002 Lux @ (F1.6, AGC ON), B/W: 0.0002 Lux @ (F1.6, AGC ON), 0 Lux with
Laser
V/S
SD8C845FG-HNF
I am confused or Am I reading this lux rating wrong. ? Sorry do NOT understand lux ratings that well.
DS-2DF8C260I5XG-ELW
Hikvision DS-2DF8C260I5XG-ELW 8C Series 2MP 60X DarkFighter Laser Network Speed Dome
www.hikvision.com
2MP HikVision - Min. Illumination Color: 0.002 Lux @ (F1.6, AGC ON), B/W: 0.0002 Lux @ (F1.6, AGC ON), 0 Lux with
Laser
V/S
SD8C845FG-HNF
| Min. Illumination | Color: 0.0005 lux@F1.5 B/W: 0.0001 lux@F1.5 0 lux (Illuminator On) |
alekk
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The "easy" way is ask what the pixel size is ... since for the same SIZE sensor, the pixel size will decrease as the megapixels go up.
Bottom line is you want the entire 1/1.2" working for 'ya.
You mentioned earlier that "2mp 6.0 to 360 mm V/S 4mp 6.0 to 288 mm" ... which makes me wonder ... since if the physical design is the exactly the same (i.e. same overall size sensor, just more (smaller) pixels on the 4MP versus 2MP), why would the 4MP have less zoom? I.e. it's possible when the optical lens exceeds 288mm, the image circle no longer "covers" the entire 4MP 1/1.2" sensor ... but if the 2MP is a subset, it might (?)
If so, then the per pixel noise would be the same (same size pixels), but if you identically frame an object, but then downsample the 4MP->2MP (or upsample 2MP->4MP), the 4MP would look better since overall bigger sensor.
bigredfish
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What store is this?
ljw2k
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Its trade outlet mate
tech101
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I was trying to see if I can see any new sensors say by sony which is 1 /1,2 @ 2mp or 4mp Only thing I see on internet is this one so far but it has a very high frame rate
I wonder what CMOS sensor HikVision is using..
I wonder what CMOS sensor HikVision is using..
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The Automation Guy
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I'll just add a general comment about PTZ and resolution.... A lower resolution on a PTZ camera can many times be overcome by the zoom factor. What I am trying to say is that yes there are fewer pixels available, but having the ability to zoom in great distances help minimize this. Of course if you have a 2mp and a 4mp PTZ camera zoomed into the same scene, the 4mp will have more resolution, but normally you can zoom in far enough that 2mp has plenty of resolution on your subject. Obviously the lower resolution has the advantages of larger pixels which means better low light performance generally.
Therefore unless I knew I would be needing to capture items at extreme distances (ie zoomed in all the way), I would choose the lower resolution camera for most use cases because of it's superior low light performance.
Therefore unless I knew I would be needing to capture items at extreme distances (ie zoomed in all the way), I would choose the lower resolution camera for most use cases because of it's superior low light performance.
tech101
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I agree, considering the PTZ feature with zoom capability. That's why I opted for the 2MP instead of the 4MP, and it also includes auto-tracking. Therefore, it should capture sufficient details even in daylight to identify most occurrences when accessed. Additionally, the 2MP camera is expected to deliver better performance in low-light conditions. Plus I have many other cams which will likely capture it in 4mp and 8mp.
Parley
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This will be interesting to see how this all works out. ^^^^
ljw2k
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I think it will be a winner and the king of PTZ world
bigredfish
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Shame we cant get them side by side.
If I can find a place for it I'll get the 4MP 1/1.2 sensor
If I can find a place for it I'll get the 4MP 1/1.2 sensor