Changing IP address of cameras already mounted via NVR

[FL_Gator]

I have 3 cameras that I want to change the IP addresses on to a new network. I have 2 of the 5442s with varifocal and a 180 Dahua. The NVR and cameras are from Andy here. If I go into the Settings, then Camera List, I can choose the "IE" link and get into the camera and from there go to it's settings, Network, TCP/IP and change the IP but when I do, I lose it and the search for new cameras does not find it, I then set it back and it finds it and makes it a different number (not IP address) in the list.

What am I doing wrong?

 

[wittaj]

By default the NVR assigns cameras to the 10.x.x.x subnet to isolate from internet.

There is really no reason to change those addresses. It is the IP address of the NVR only that needs to be changed if put on a different network.

But if you want to change the camera IPs for some reason, then you need to change the 10.x.x.x gateway to whatever range you are moving to, but again that isn't recommended for cameras.

 

[bigredfish]

Are your cameras plugged into the NVR?
If so they have IP's issued by the NVR switch 10.1.1.x

You should not attempt to change those

If you are changing them to a different network/switch and its not on the same network as the NVR, you will need to go to that network to see them

Cameras can be discovered by the NVR on:
A- the NVR internal switch network
B) the LAN network that the NVR is on

 

[bigredfish]

You to be more specific

 

[FL_Gator]

By default the NVR assigns cameras to the 10.x.x.x subnet to isolate from internet.

There is really no reason to change those addresses. It is the IP address of the NVR only that needs to be changed if put on a different network.

But if you want to change the camera IPs for some reason, then you need to change the 10.x.x.x gateway to whatever range you are moving to, but again that isn't recommended for cameras.

I was wanting the cameras to do an auto update check.

 

[FL_Gator]

Are your cameras plugged into the NVR?
If so they have IP's issued by the NVR switch 10.1.1.x

You should not attempt to change those

If you are changing them to a different network/switch and its not on the same network as the NVR, you will need to go to that network to see them

Cameras can be discovered on:
A- the NVR internal switch network
B) the LAN network that the NVR is on

I was wanting the cameras to do an auto update check.

 

[bigredfish]

Huh?

What specifically did you change it to and is that the same network as your NVR is on?

1- Dont update firmware just because.

 

[wittaj]

Do the release notes say they fix a problem you are having?

DON'T fix what ain't broke.

A thread just this week someone updated their 5442s and lost ability to use IVS rules.

 

[FL_Gator]

The only problem I am having is probably NOT due to the camera and that is, I am using DMSS on our android phones and most times we do not get alerts right away from the T-180, sometimes we do but I think DMSS is just not user friendly. The reason for asking about updates is that in the PC world, most, mind you I said most, updates are good and some are needed therefore I have the same thought pattern for the cameras. I bought them in the beginning of 2023.

 

[bigredfish]

Understand.
On cameras its the other way around. Wait 3-6 months till your friends have fixed what the new FW screwed up before updating

Go to Andy's site and see if there is an update for your specific model. and Read the notes to decide if its worth the risk.

Download Firmwares

Building security systems for home and business offices. Protecting customers' personal safety and property security. All the security cameras and NVRs we sell are of great quality and at affordable prices.

empiretech01.com

FYI
I've found on on Dahua cameras connected to a Dahua NVR with its built in PoE ports, its best to do FW updates from the NVR interface

 

[FL_Gator]

Understand.
On cameras its the other way around. Wait 3-6 months till your friends have fixed what the new FW screwed up before updating

Go to Andy's site and see if there is an update for your specific model. and Read the notes to decide if its worth the risk.

Download Firmwares

Building security systems for home and business offices. Protecting customers' personal safety and property security. All the security cameras and NVRs we sell are of great quality and at affordable prices.

empiretech01.com

FYI
I've found on on Dahua cameras connected to a Dahua NVR with its built in PoE ports, its best to do FW updates from the NVR interface

I will check his site. I couldn't really find a site to check for updates on this T-180 like a Dauha site and then model. Thanks for the info.

 

[wittaj]

The only problem I am having is probably NOT due to the camera and that is, I am using DMSS on our android phones and most times we do not get alerts right away from the T-180, sometimes we do but I think DMSS is just not user friendly. The reason for asking about updates is that in the PC world, most, mind you I said most, updates are good and some are needed therefore I have the same thought pattern for the cameras. I bought them in the beginning of 2023.

As @bigredfish pointed out, these things are different animals than other electronics.

A common theme around here is don't fix what ain't broke. If the unit is working and meets your needs, in many instances an update breaks what you had working and provides you with something you didn't need or bricks the camera. In most instances, updates are simply security vulnerability patches (usually years after the breach was found), but since we do not give our cameras internet access, the update is useless to us.

Here is one of many threads of someone updating for OCD behavior simply to get all cams on same firmware and bricked them.

Unless the release notes specifically mention it fixing a problem you are experiencing, more than likely it won't fix an issue and may make the camera worse by removing functionality or worse brick it.

By no means an exhaustive list, but here are issues I have seen people report here where they were upgrading just for the sake of upgrading:

• Dahua 5241E-Z12E that someone updated and then constantly reboots.
• Axis Q1786 that lost the ability to see the percentage of focus and zoom in theGUI.
• Dahua 49225 and 49425 PTZ that Dahua intentionally removed autotracking with an update to force people to buy the more expensive PTZ.
• Hikvision DS-2DEA425IW-DW PTZ that Hikvision intentionally removed autotracking with an update to force people to buy the more expensive PTZ (*V5.7.3 220315 -Remove auto-tracking functions on DE4A).
• Hikvision ANPR camera losing half the FPS and loses the ability to read US plates - those are big deals to have happen, especially if you live in the USA.
• Hikvision ANPR DS-2CD4A26FWD camera that lost all ability to read plates - kinda makes a plate reader camera useless.
• Hikvision camera that the user lost ability to control the LED light function at night.
• Hikvision DS-7616NI-Q2 NVR that has the APIs changed. This is a big deal if you run automation.
• Hikvision DS-7616NI-K2 NVR that loses basic functionality when updated.
• Hikvision wifi camera that loses the ability to use wifi after a firmware update and was intentionally removed due to too many complaints that the camera was dropping signal.
• DH-DB61 Doorbell that loses API functionality. A big deal for someone with automation.
• DS-2CD2387G2-LU that loses API functionality. A big deal for someone with automation.
• Hikvision iVM4200 v3.8 - loses the free ability to use the computer as storage and now need to subscribe.
• Dahua IPC-HFW1320S that started phoning home using 60MB/hr and costing someone thousands of dollars in data overages when he got his next mobile bill.
• Dahua 5442 that will not allow playback of the SD card. Another instance of losing IVS capabilities.
• Dahua NVR58XX-4KS2 that had custom protocol (ability to add a camera via RTSP) removed possibly to force people to purchase same brand cameras.
• SmartPSS that intentionally removed the ability to use the Intercom for those with VTO devices after firmware version 2.02.08
• Countless other instances where the camera or NVR simply bricked and became useless.
• Countless examples where the camera or NVR went into Chinese.
• Manufacturers are now preventing their equipment to be updated with an older working firmware after it was updated to a more recent firmware.

Don't do it unless it is fixing a problem you are experiencing or adds a feature you really need.

Another thing to consider is that the same model could have different firmware for different chipsets used during the life of that model. So you run the risk of bricking if you do not know what chipset you have.

Here is an example - the HFW3549T1-AS-PV is available in 2 versions of firmware across 3 different chipsets for the same model camera:

• HFW3549T1-AS-PV-S4 uses the HX3XXX-Taurus firmware.
• HFW3549T1-AS-PV and IPC-HFW3549T1-AS-PV-S3 use the HX5XXX-Volt firmware

In this instance, Dahua added an S# designation after the model number (while Hikvision adds a C), but many do not and then you try to update with a firmware not compatible with your chipset and potentially brick it.

CamCrazy said it best here LOL: Unless you want to waste some of your life, do not upgrade things that are working fine, I know, temptation is too great sometimes