Camera recommendations for Europe

For movement you want to be running a fast shutter anyway. A classic mistake is to obtain a "good"picture by boosting up gain and slowing shutter right down, only to get semi transparent nreognisable trailing ghosts when someone moves. The quality of your pic at night is always dictated by the shutter speed. You want gain at a max of 50 on many cameras and a shutter of 8ms or less, preferably 4ms. If your camera can't manage that and still see, then you need either a different camera or supplemental lighting. One of the new cameras that switches from IR to colour with illumination is probably the ultimate compromise here as you ge the best of both worlds. However, I'd wait for reviews. The other option is some low inensity white lighting with floods that engage if movement is detected, but that kind of violates your no light pollution requirement. You need to understand though, that non IR cameras do need at least some light to see, and the brighter the lighting the better the picture. Hence why with my 4kt camera, I run a 5w led bulb all night on a dsuk to dawn sensor (about 350-400 lumens), then although I can get a decent picture from that, I have a sensor activated 30w led floodlight that activates on movement to boost the picture quality if anyone is present. I get a picture either way then, but the boosted picture is far superior.
 
ps. there is one more thing - uniformity of IR.

5442 bullets are for now best in this - they have 2 near / wide IRs and 2 far / narrow IRs.
And you can configure proportion for both and have great IR light uniformity for all video cams in different location / distances / zoom levels.
Also 5442 bullets IR works very well for bigger distances.

5442 turrets don't have this and are very bad in IR uniformity.
Middle of picture is over blow, outside parts are much darken.

TIOC-PRO turret have 2 IRs and it is much more uniform than 5442 turret, but it is not at level of 5442 bullet.
There is no regulation here and IR distance is much lower that 5442 bullet.
Thank you , I was actually considering the refurbished 5442 turrets. This info saves me from making a mistake. I'll be going for bullets.

I've asked for one of the IPC-B54IR-Z4E-S3 and the updated Q2.2025 version of IPC-B54IR-ZE-S3 (as they are called in EmpireTech store). I hope they are available soon.

FYI - DORI notes in the cliff notes, for the USA many of us like to use 100 ppf instead of 80 ppf .. gives a better margin to get a good ID shot, as rarely will someone be perfectly facing the camera.
So when calculating your setup, remember getting a good ID image at longer ID ranges ( as calculated by DORI specs ) can be a real challenge due to various conditions.

I would test the real world setup and positions for chances to get a good ID image if this is critical.
For sure. I'm only getting one of each type for now. And I'll be testing them in few locations before I buy more. If they don't work from far distance I'll still have use for them elsewhere.
 
Thank you , I was actually considering the refurbished 5442 turrets. This info saves me from making a mistake. I'll be going for bullets.

I've asked for one of the IPC-B54IR-Z4E-S3 and the updated Q2.2025 version of IPC-B54IR-ZE-S3 (as they are called in EmpireTech store). I hope they are available soon.

Q2.2025 updated version of 54IR-S3 (5442-S3)????
updated how?

first hear about any hardware changes in 5442-S3..
it's 2023 cam, all updates between (AcuPick 1.0 then 2.0, animal support, large distance mode, IVS learning database etc) were firmware based...
 
Q2.2025 updated version of 54IR-S3 (5442-S3)????
updated how?

first hear about any hardware changes in 5442-S3..
it's 2023 cam, all updates between (AcuPick 1.0 then 2.0, animal support, large distance mode, IVS learning database etc) were firmware based...
I misremembered your previous post. You were talking about WizColor 5449-PRO, that it will be a mixture of features from WizMind-S 5442-S3 and TIOC-PRO 3449-PRO. I somehow remembered it as a new version of WizMind-S 5442. So, my mistake.

You as well as the picture mention smart dual light (despite number 9 on the end suggesting only color?) so I'm hoping for good IR sensitivity of the sensor used. No doubt the quality of IR illumination will be somewhat sacrificed by including white LEDs. Still perhaps the other improvements make up for that. I'd love to test one so I asked Andy. He said they will be available for sale in July. So I ordered one IPC-B54IR-Z4E-S3 and one IPC-B54IR-ASE-S3 with 3.6mm lens for now and I'll get one of the new ones when it becomes available.
 
I misremembered your previous post. You were talking about WizColor 5449-PRO, that it will be a mixture of features from WizMind-S 5442-S3 and TIOC-PRO 3449-PRO. I somehow remembered it as a new version of WizMind-S 5442. So, my mistake.

You as well as the picture mention smart dual light (despite number 9 on the end suggesting only color?) so I'm hoping for good IR sensitivity of the sensor used. No doubt the quality of IR illumination will be somewhat sacrificed by including white LEDs. Still perhaps the other improvements make up for that. I'd love to test one so I asked Andy. He said they will be available for sale in July. So I ordered one IPC-B54IR-Z4E-S3 and one IPC-B54IR-ASE-S3 with 3.6mm lens for now and I'll get one of the new ones when it becomes available.

Aaaa... ok

both Andy and people from Dahua Poland told me that first batches with fixed lens of the new WizColor 5xx9-PRO cams should be available in next 1-2 weeks...

the sensor used on those cams will be the same as on TIOC-PRO and HIK ColorVu cams (4/6/8 Mpx SmartSens).. they are different from 4/8 Mpx OmniVision sensors used on WizMind-S/X (5xx2/7xx2)..

In my testing at night on my desk with both cams (3449-PRO and 5442 with noise reduction turn off and with identical very fast shutters speeds) sensor in TIOC-PRO have better light sensitivity but it is also generating much more noise..
Noise type and characteristics are different.. Sensor used in WixMind-S/X is much more... "analog"??? for me..

Both sensors are created for cctv apps, so they are NIR enhanced.. there shouldn't be big differences here..

more important here is quality and uniformity of IR lights..