Best Image settings for night moving vehicle capture on Hik 12mm 1/2.8" 8MP

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Hopefully an advanced forum member can help. I have 2 Hik DS-2CD3787G2T-LZSU 8MP (1/1.8" sensor) Color-vu cameras that are focused on a street about 10 meters away. Both are using the full 12mm optical zoom. I've searched and searched, but can't find anyone posting optimized settings for my desired goal (clear still images of vehicles moving by at about 30mph.) I've tried different iris and shutter speeds. I've tried different gains, smoothing, etc... with nothing resulting in what I believe this hardware should be capable of. On top of that, the web UI for this cam seems to have some different options than I commonly see when searching the web (not sure if that's because of the hardware, or more likely a geographical firmware version.)
I have it on CBR, full bandwidth, FPS at 20 and iFrame at 20. h.264. I care nothing about storage.

Here are the options I have it set to for Low Illumination:
Iris Mode: Fixed
Shutter Speed: 1/200
Gain: 100
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Focus: Semi auto (I suspect this is better than Auto at night where it might focus-hunt)
Day/Night Switch: Auto with Sensitivity set to 6 (although it allows up to 7)
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And then I have BLC, WDR, and HLC off.

And here's a still I'm getting at night:
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I know some of this is trial and error, but I seem far off and not getting close to dialed in. what settings should I start with?? Thanks for any advice!!
 
Gain at 100 is likely your killer. That basically negates the faster shutter.

And 8MP shoved on a 1/2.8" sensor designed for 2MP isn't helping either.

You may have to forgo color and may need a faster shutter.

In terms of getting the most out of the camera, here is my "standard" post that many use as a start for dialing in day and night that helps get the clean captures and help the camera recognize people and cars.

Every field of view is different, but I have found you need contrast to usually be 6-8 higher than the brightness number at night.

We want the ability to freeze frame capture a clean image from the video at night, and that is only done with a shutter of 1/60 or faster. At night, default/auto may be on 1/12s shutter or worse to make the image bright.

In my opinion, shutter (exposure) and gain are the two most important parameters and then base the others off of it. Shutter is more important than FPS. It is the shutter speed that prevents motion blur, not FPS. 15 FPS is more than enough for surveillance cameras as we are not producing Hollywood movies. Match iframes to FPS. 15FPS is all that is usually needed.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-4ms exposure and 0-30 gain (day)for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared or white light.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night static image results in Casper blur and ghost during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

In the daytime, if it is still too bright, then drop the 4ms down to 3ms then 2ms, etc. You have to play with it for your field of view.

Then at night, if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 16.67ms (but certainly not above 30ms) as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image. But try not to go above 70 for anything and try to have contrast be at least 7-10 digits higher than brightness.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

After every setting adjustment, have someone walk around outside and see if you can freeze-frame to get a clean image. If not, keep changing until you do. Clean motion pictures are what we are after, not a clean static image.
 
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And 8MP shoved on a 1/2.8" sensor designed for 2MP isn't helping either.

@birdseed has a typo in the heading... the camera has a 1/1.8" sensor... still not ideal but not the worst case

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

I would at least try HLC on.
 
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Generally speaking that sensor isn't great for a 4K camera. So you’re starting out at a disadvantage.

Next biggest problem is light, or lack thereof, compounded by the sensor mismatch.
You just don't have enough of it to run color at night and get good crisp images
As @wittaj says, Gain is hurting you but reducing it will make things even darker

Here is a Dahua 4K camera with a 1/1.2" sensor. Much larger and appropriate for 4K
Enough light, from the weak streetlight and the onboard white LEDs of the camera

45ft, Running 1/180 exposure, CBR 16Mbps, 30FPS, Iframe 60


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Thanks all. I’ll try the manual shutter adjustments and turning down the gain. I wish there was something out there with varifocal zoom and still a 1/1.2” sensor, but this was the biggest I could find of any manufacturer with that optical zoom.
 
Here's a $1600 4MP PTZ at 1/120 that struggles even with good street lights. Vehicle speed 50 mph, distance 60-120ft
I could crank exposure faster but it gets too dark for my tracking targets which are humans entering/crossing the entrance of the neighborhood

Good motion in color at night takes way more light than most people think


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If you're only 30+_ feet away, a 3.6mm like I show or the 6MM should be more than fine and in the sweet spot for focus for the Dahua 4K-X
 
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Here is a Dahua 4K camera with a 1/1.2" sensor. Much larger and appropriate for 4K
Enough light, from the weak streetlight and the onboard white LEDs of the camera

45ft, Running 1/180 exposure, CBR 16Mbps, 30FPS, Iframe 60

The headlights on the car in your video are very sharp... headlights on my similar Hikvision 1/1.2" 4K cameras are a mess unless I use HLC... do you have any "backlight features" turned on for that camera?
 
Here's a $1600 4MP PTZ at 1/120 that struggles even with good street lights. Vehicle speed 50 mph, distance 60-120ft
I could crank exposure faster but it gets too dark for my tracking targets which are humans entering/crossing the entrance of the neighborhood

Good motion in color at night takes way more light than most people think


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I'd be ecstatic with these!
 
Here's a $1600 4MP PTZ at 1/120 that struggles even with good street lights. Vehicle speed 50 mph, distance 60-120ft
I could crank exposure faster but it gets too dark for my tracking targets which are humans entering/crossing the entrance of the neighborhood

Good motion in color at night takes way more light than most people think


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Camera model? (I know it's about the light more than the hardware....)
 
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Here is what the $250ish Z4E can do for freeze frame of vehicles:

 
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Thanks. I assume maybe it's the combo of comparable sensor size but bigger pixels (since it's 4MP instead of mine being 8MP) that's also helping...

Right. Needs less than 1/2 the light.

Outside of the 1/1.2" on the 4K-T/X the sweet spot currently is the 5442 series 4MP on 1/1,8"