Best camera to be placed high up to cover driveway (from 20ft) up ?

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I’m looking for an IP (POE) camera (ideally in black) to go on the gable roof end of our house which would place it about 20ft up from the ground ?

Everything I’ve looked at so far seems to need to be placed around 8 to 10ft high due to its wide angle view.

Has anyone got any recommendations?

Many thanks !!
 

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Thanks - I’m happy to get whatever is suitable :). Looking for recommendations and ideally it would support open protocols so I can access it via a variety of apps/tools etc.
 

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The installed at 8-10 feet has nothing to do with the wide angle LOL - it is so you get video to IDENTIFY someone and not get top of hoodies and heads.

The bigger question is where will your camera be pointing - if straight down or almost straight down, even a varifocal will be useless to you. If you are planning to aim it 30-40 feet away at the sidewalk, then the varifocal higher starts to make some sense.
 
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Hi

Thanks for the feedback so far - The camera is largely going to be pointing down towards the drive, but it would also look to cover people when they walk past , as there is a road about 20ft in front of the house with a path on either side .

Sadly math is not my strong point, but if it was a triangle and I was to aim for the middle of the road , then the right angle would be 20ft high (which is the house) x 25ft long (to the road)?

Does that help with anyone recommend a specific camera ?
 
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The IPC-B5442E-ZE looks very nice, but more than I can afford- but it’s the ‘bullet’ style I need - if there is something out there that’s similar, around the £200/$250 mark and in black we might just have a winner ?!?!
 

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You can always paint a camera. A lot of people paint it to match the house.
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Think about what you would see from that high up and that close in when someone walks by or walks toward your house on the driveway. You'll see the top of their head, no face or minimal face, and if they have a ball cap, hoodie or mask on (CCP Virus mask), you won't see diddly squat.
 
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I do already have a lower level camera, which although partially obscured, that can get the faces as people as they approach

The one I am looking for here, is more about being my overall ‘front of house’ surveillance camera, capturing cars and people walking past etc. and I’d like digital zones marked to capture anything coming into my driveway etc. So I fully accept I’m not going to get any facial recognition from up there.

Also I live in a row of closely built houses and my whole front yard (including the drive), is quite small ; approx 25ft x 25ft. So getting a camera that has too wide a field of view (2.7mm?) , feels like it will just give me lots of my neighbours drives - when I’m only interested in mine..

I hope the above helps?
 
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Hi

I’m looking for an IP (POE) camera (ideally in black) to go on the gable roof end of our house which would place it about 20ft up from the ground ?

Everything I’ve looked at so far seems to need to be placed around 8 to 10ft high due to its wide angle view.

Has anyone got any recommendations?

Many thanks !!
Hi @nodecentral

What do you functionally want to accomplish with the camera?
Watch sunsets?
Watch the street?
Watch the mailbox on the street?
Watch the parking spots?
ID thieves?
Capture license plates?
Low light? Day light?
Watch for the delivery vans?
Watch for wildlife?
 

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To identify someone with the 2.8mm lens that is popular, someone would have to be within 13 feet of the camera, but realistically within 10 feet after you dial it in to your settings.

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My neighbor was bragging to me how he only needed his four 2.8mm fixed lens cams to see his entire property and the street and his whole backyard. His car was sitting in the driveway practically touching the garage door and his video quality was useless to ID the perp not even 10 feet away.

Once camera cannot be the be all, do all. You need multiple cameras.

Here are my general distance recommendations, but switch out the Dahua 5442 series camera to the equivalent 2MP on the 1/2.8" sensor or equivalent Hikvision works as well.
  • 5442 fixed lens 2.8mm - anything within 10 feet of camera OR as an overview camera
  • 5442 ZE - varifocal - distances up to 40-50 feet (personally I wouldn't go past the 30 foot range but I like things closer)
  • 5442 Z4E - anything up to 80-100 feet (personally I wouldn't go past 60 feet but I like things closer)
  • 5241-Z12E - anything from 80 feet to almost 200 feet (personally I wouldn't go past 150 feet because I like things closer)
  • 5241-Z12E - for a license plate cam that you would angle up the street to get plates up to about 175 feet away, or up to 220 with additional IR.
  • 49225 PTZ - great PTZ and in conjunction with an NVR or Blue Iris and the cameras above that you can use as spotter cams to point the PTZ to the correct location to compliment the fixed cams.
You need to get the correct camera for the area trying to be covered. A 2.8mm to IDENTIFY someone 40 feet away is the wrong camera regardless of how good the camera is. A 2.8mm camera to IDENTIFY someone within 10 feet is a good choice OR it is an overview camera to see something happened but not be able to identify who.

Main keys are you can't locate the camera too high (not on the 2nd story or above 7 feet high unless it is for overview and not Identification purposes) or chase MP and you need to get the correct camera for the area trying to be covered. A 2.8mm to IDENTIFY someone 40 feet away is the wrong camera regardless of how good the camera is. A 2.8mm camera to IDENTIFY someone within 10 feet is a good choice OR it is an overview camera to see something happened but not be able to identify who. Also, do not chase marketing phrases like ColorVu and Full Color and the like - all cameras need light - simple physics...
 
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Hi all

just to confirm, and to also quote @wittaj my camera requirement ‘is for overview and not Identification purposes’ - for a front year area that’s approx 25x25ft.

And in response to @mat200 - I’m looking to capture any movement that crosses into my yard area above .

Based on what’s been said and the video I watch that was included in an earlier response - it sound like a camera that can adjust from 2.8 to 12mm could be the way to go ? Does that sound right ?

perhaps something like this -https://www.hikvision.com/content/dam/hikvision/products/S000000001/S000000002/S000000003/S000000025/OFR000041/M000007940/Data_Sheet/DS-2CD2686G2-IZS-C_Datasheet_V5.5.112_20210226.pdf
 

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Hi all

just to confirm, and to also quote @wittaj my camera requirement ‘is for overview and not Identification purposes’ - for a front year area that’s approx 25x25ft.

And in response to @mat200 - I’m looking to capture any movement that crosses into my yard area above .

Based on what’s been said and the video I watch that was included in an earlier response - it sound like a camera that can adjust from 2.8 to 12mm could be the way to go ? Does that sound right ?

perhaps something like this -https://www.hikvision.com/content/dam/hikvision/products/S000000001/S000000002/S000000003/S000000025/OFR000041/M000007940/Data_Sheet/DS-2CD2686G2-IZS-C_Datasheet_V5.5.112_20210226.pdf
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If you do get a camera such as the one above I would add a couple of LED bulbs out front like on of these. LED Light Bulbs - 100 Watt Equal - 5000 Kelvin | 1000Bulbs.com
 

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..to capture any movement that crosses into my yard area above .
Hi @nodecentral

So you are not looking to ID anyone, or LPR and just want general movement..


The Hikvision DS-2CD2686G2-IZS specs out nicely...


Specification Camera Image Sensor 1/1.8" Progressive Scan CMOS
Min. Illumination Color: 0.003 Lux @ (F1.4, AGC ON), B/W: 0 Lux with IR
Shutter Speed 1/3 s to 1/100,000 s
Slow Shutter Yes
P/N P/N
Wide Dynamic Range 120 dB
Day & Night IR cut filter
Power-off Memory Yes
Angle Adjustment Pan: 0° to 355°, tilt: 0° to 90°, rotate: 0° to 360°

Lens
Focal Length & FOV 2.8 to 12 mm, horizontal FOV 108° to 46°, vertical FOV 58° to 26°, diagonal FOV 127.4° to 52°
Lens Type Varifocal lens, motorized lens, 2.8 to 12 mm
Aperture F1.4
Iris Type Fixed
Lens Mount Ø 14

Max. Resolution 3840 × 2160
Main Stream 50 Hz: 25 fps (3840 × 2160, 3200 × 1800, 2688 × 1520, 1920 × 1080, 1280 × 720) 60 Hz: 24 fps (3840 × 2160) 30 fps (3200 × 1800, 2688 × 1520, 1920 × 1080, 1280 × 720)
Sub Stream 50 Hz: 25 fps (640 × 480, 640 × 360) 60 Hz: 30 fps (640 × 480, 640 × 360)
Third Stream 50 Hz: 10 fps (1920 × 1080, 1280 × 720, 640 × 480, 640 × 360) 60 Hz: 10 fps (1920 × 1080, 1280 × 720, 640 × 480, 640 × 360) *Third stream is supported under certain settings.

Video Compression Main stream: H.265/H.264/H.264+/H.265+ Sub-stream: H.265/H.264/MJPEG Third stream: H.265/H.264 *Third stream is supported under certain settings. Video Bit Rate 32 Kbps to 16 Mbps H.264 Type Baseline Profile/Main Profile/High Profile H.265 Type Main Profile ..

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