Is that a Turret or bullet camera? I suspect bullet as turret form is too short for that amount of zoom
Property marker LPR camera
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bigredfish
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Yeah, too big for the application, I have one here. May have to retool things and if I have to go bullet, the B52IR Z12E is smaller in size, so that would be the choice for this application because of size constraints.
Going to have to sit down and think how I can retool this with a B52 and not make a mess of it
bigredfish
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If you aim it as-is more to the left, like where the guy/dog is centered, you'll pick up some distance and yes some angle but it may be fine.
I would love to adjust the ROI more left, but I'm maxed out currently. Even if I cut some more of the front plate out, I'll only gain about 5 degrees to 8 degrees. Plus, I'm really not happy with the image of this camera, it seems somewhat soft compared to my other cameras.
Just curious, what is the latest FW that is being used for the T54IR-ZE? Below is the version that is currently on this camera:
Device Type IPC-T5442T-ZE
System Version V2.840.15OG00D.0.R, Build Date: 2022-08-18
WEB Version V3.2.1.1261216
ONVIF Version 21.12(V3.1.0.1235054)
Algorithm Version 1.0.7
Security Baseline Version V2.1
Copyright 2022, EmpireTech all rights reserved.
Device Type IPC-T5442T-ZE
System Version V2.840.15OG00D.0.R, Build Date: 2022-08-18
WEB Version V3.2.1.1261216
ONVIF Version 21.12(V3.1.0.1235054)
Algorithm Version 1.0.7
Security Baseline Version V2.1
Copyright 2022, EmpireTech all rights reserved.
bigredfish
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On the softness I think you’re just seeing settings adjustment needs. 5442s typically out of the box are over sharp if anything. Doesn’t look bad to me
And yeah on the angle I forgot what you were working with on your square post.
So if your capture point is inline with that mailbox across the street, I’d say 60 ft, then yeah you might as well go with a Z12
No 2.8-12mm camera will achieve that.
And yeah on the angle I forgot what you were working with on your square post.
So if your capture point is inline with that mailbox across the street, I’d say 60 ft, then yeah you might as well go with a Z12
No 2.8-12mm camera will achieve that.
Yeah the ZE can get plates if the camera is right up on the road like a mailbox and to about 25ish feet.
Personally I would turn that camera more left and go for a less than ideal angle and see if you can get plates.
Personally I would turn that camera more left and go for a less than ideal angle and see if you can get plates.
bigredfish
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Aesthetics plays a part here. The whole point of the design is so it blends in and doesn't draw attention as another camera. It would look pretty odd if the whole post was turned and at weird angle. It would defeat the purpose of the design.
I need to set this project aside for the moment to conjure up another idea for this area that fits the original idea here. I have to somehow make a B52IR work, IF I'm going to use this as a LPR location. I believe no matter what I do with the current camera, the results will end up marginal at best due to the limitations of the camera.
I need to set this project aside for the moment to conjure up another idea for this area that fits the original idea here. I have to somehow make a B52IR work, IF I'm going to use this as a LPR location. I believe no matter what I do with the current camera, the results will end up marginal at best due to the limitations of the camera.
Ok, I beginning to think this camera has issues as I don't think IR is working. First is a grab of the camera in color with auto settings, then a grab with the camera in B/W with auto settings and then a grab with B/W w/auto and WDR at mid-point. There is definitely an issue with IR on this camera as it is only seeing the ambient light. Illuminator is maxed out
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I guess this thread shows the importance of what we preach about testing a camera at a location before installation!
But hey many of us have been there too with a great idea that didn't quite work out LOL.
When you said end of driveway, I assumed you meant the actual end of the driveway as it would work there as many have this camera on a mailbox. But you are several feet away from the edge of the driveway and this shows how much something like 6 feet can have on the camera selection.
Any chance you can turn it 90 and have it face the house? Or use it as overview in current location to look down the street.
The yard light will greatly impact the exposure. The IR looks on to me. Do you see the red IR on when looking at the camera?
Is Smart IR on or is in manual?
Have you tried it with the yard light off?
And running auto/default settings isn't helping either as the camera is perceiving more light than there is. Try a 1/120 shutter and that will knock out some of the effects of that yard light. But that yard light will have an impact on the exposure regardless.
But hey many of us have been there too with a great idea that didn't quite work out LOL.
When you said end of driveway, I assumed you meant the actual end of the driveway as it would work there as many have this camera on a mailbox. But you are several feet away from the edge of the driveway and this shows how much something like 6 feet can have on the camera selection.
Any chance you can turn it 90 and have it face the house? Or use it as overview in current location to look down the street.
The yard light will greatly impact the exposure. The IR looks on to me. Do you see the red IR on when looking at the camera?
Is Smart IR on or is in manual?
Have you tried it with the yard light off?
And running auto/default settings isn't helping either as the camera is perceiving more light than there is. Try a 1/120 shutter and that will knock out some of the effects of that yard light. But that yard light will have an impact on the exposure regardless.
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bigredfish
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If this wasn't so close to the road, I probably would have erected a fixture for testing, but we have tons of kids in the neighborhood now and one particular family where the mother keeps poppin 'em out and they have to fuck with everything, especially if it is near the road.
Obviously, we can't install a post on city property, and we are at the property line - as close as we could get to the road.
Regarding the IR, there is no light that indicates IR is on looking at the camera, and with it set to manual, sliding the illumination setting left or right makes absolutely no difference in image. Regarding the setting for illumination, there is no smart IR option, just manual and auto and it is set to manual. I'm convinced that IR is not functioning or not functioning correctly on this camera. Have not tried it with the yard lights off. I would think you would see some difference with the IR on versus off even with the yard lighting.
I only used default to take setting errors out of the equation. Unfortunately, our property has less than ideal lighting - only one streetlight on the corner and very little ambient light from neighboring properties - everyone is cheap with their electricity. And the yard lights aren't going away - this is straight from the WAF in charge.
I could turn it 90 to 270 degrees, but I still don't think it's worth having an overview camera here, there are too many variables to deal with to achieve a decent image.
I think we can chalk this up to experience
My initial solution for a Z12 is to remove the sun shade and, if possible, the armature to make it shorter. I would then cut a hole in the backside of the PVC post so that it doesn't stick too far out of the front. I would then use a box like this to both cover the hole in the PVC post and hide the back of the camera. Painted white, I don't think it would be obvious at all.
I would then also add a downlight to illuminate the numbers, which could "justify" the junction box on the back of the post, but I honestly don't think anyone would notice or care.
I would then also add a downlight to illuminate the numbers, which could "justify" the junction box on the back of the post, but I honestly don't think anyone would notice or care.
I guess we will see tonight when you test it with the light off.
We have seen it all with lights in a field of view or IR bounce and messing with exposure. Not only do you have the light, but the camera is low and getting reflection off the driveway. All recipes to mess with the camera.
I can take my PTZ and set it to auto and turn it to having my lamp post in view and my lamp post on and the IR won't come on even in B/W no matter what I do with the IR - the sensor senses there is enough light that it says IR isn't needed. Turn off light and IR comes on. Speed the shutter to 1/120 and the IR comes on.
Testing cameras with auto/default settings do not mimic how we use them and the results will vary greatly from how we will actually set them up.
Heck I can hold a camera on the mailbox on default settings and be in color, but motion will be a complete blur. I just don't have enough light.
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I understand that, but I wanted to eliminate my lack of experience with settings to get an idea why IR is not working as it should, that's the reason for leaving everything at auto in all modes except for illuminator - that was in manual and at 100%.