Wanted - Logitech Alert Powerline/POE adapters

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I'm looking to purchase a few Logitech powerline/poe adapters that originally came with the Alert cameras. Anyone have any?
 
I have a few in use, and got them on ebay. It looks like prices are through the ceiling - $40-50 each! People are listing the Alert 750e cameras for $600 and up - crazy!

Here's the info I found when I was hunting for them - you may already know this:

NA200 powerline adapters - network only, no POE, same adapter is used for the device connection and the router bridge. Don't know if these work with the LA700 POE adapters.

LA700e powerline adapters - external camera adapter, network plus 7W POE, outdoor use
LA700i powerline adapters - internal camera adapter, network plus 4W POE, indoor use

NA750 powerline bridge - Bridge to router for LA700 POE adapters.
 
I still have two Logitech cameras connected to my router via those Logitech wall warts. Eventually, they will be replaced with hard wired Dahua units. But in the mean time, they are working fine. Whenever these HomePlug/PoE devices failed in the past, I would order a replacement from Logitech. Well, as you know, Logitech discontinued this product line. Most people now resort to eBay for a replacement and pay a usury price. If you want to save money, all you need is a HomePlug and a PoE injector, and it will work with your Logitech cameras. These items can be purchased on Amazon for a very reasonable price.
 
I have been using the Logitech HD Powerline 200a for data and the TP-Link-TL-PoE15S for power. They work as well as the original HomePlug/PoE unit that came with the cameras.
 
OldStyle said:
Do they have to be Logitech branded? There are probably lots of other (and faster) alternatives out there. The TP Link ones are very highly rated, and affordable. I use TP Link at my house for my PoE switch and PoE injectors and they work great...

http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-PA...ter-Starter/dp/B00AWRUICG/ref=zg_bs_1194444_1
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FWIW, I was going to switch everything over to TP-Link. I purchased the kit, disconnected the Logitech and tried using the TP-Link instead. I couldn't get it to work. TP-Link support was less than useless. They told me to return it to Amazon, but I had already destroyed the box.

At some point I'll probably switch over to something else, but, I currently have 7 cameras with Logitech.
 
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Even though these powerline devices are supposed to be mix and match according to the HomePlug AV Alliance specifications, this doesn't seem to be the case. For instance, the 200Mbs devices are not upward compatible with the 500Mbs devices. The Logitech HD 200a units seemed to me to be the most logical replacement for the original wall warts.
 
3dogpottery said:
Even though these powerline devices are supposed to be mix and match according to the HomePlug AV Alliance specifications, this doesn't seem to be the case. For instance, the 200Mbs devices are not upward compatible with the 500Mbs devices. The Logitech HD 200a units seemed to me to be the most logical replacement for the original wall warts.
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Brand new member here, with a similar issue with my Logitech cameras. First, hi, nice to "meet" you guys, any help would be much appreciated here!
One still works and is operation and seemingly happy, the other works but the power supply doesn't work...the light gray box (LA700E). So, my LA700E is broken. I've isolated it to that.
Onward and upward, I need to replace it, but like everyone knows, they're not really available.

This thread seems to talk about using a non-Logitech replacement, which I tried doing with a TP-Link TL-POE150S injector...but clearly I have no idea what I'm doing because that didn't work. I didn't really know what I was buying, my mistake. Anyway, so my question is, what the heck do I need? I've been going back and forth with Logitech support on this but I can't get a straight answer as to what EXACTLY I need to buy. Can someone paste in a couple of links to what I need?

Thanks for the help, clearly I'm confused and really more of just a user than a technician of any kind...so go easy on me. :)
 
chetwynd said:
Brand new member here, with a similar issue with my Logitech cameras. First, hi, nice to "meet" you guys, any help would be much appreciated here!
One still works and is operation and seemingly happy, the other works but the power supply doesn't work...the light gray box (LA700E). So, my LA700E is broken. I've isolated it to that.
Onward and upward, I need to replace it, but like everyone knows, they're not really available.

This thread seems to talk about using a non-Logitech replacement, which I tried doing with a TP-Link TL-POE150S injector...but clearly I have no idea what I'm doing because that didn't work. I didn't really know what I was buying, my mistake. Anyway, so my question is, what the heck do I need? I've been going back and forth with Logitech support on this but I can't get a straight answer as to what EXACTLY I need to buy. Can someone paste in a couple of links to what I need?

Thanks for the help, clearly I'm confused and really more of just a user than a technician of any kind...so go easy on me. :)
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You need 2 things to replace the Logitech brick:

1) A Powerline Adapter - passes the Ethernet connection thru the powerline
2) A POE Injector - passes the power thru the Ethernet cable

The Logitech brick combines both of these things. You plug-in the Powerline Adapter and run an Cat5 cable from it to the POE Injector (which also plugs in). YOu then run Ethernet from the POE Injector to the camera.

I've had no luck with other brand powerline adapters. For a POE injector, I use the TP-Link TL-POE150S.

I just purchased this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004F9P2L4 - this is a Logitech-brand Powerline Adapter, and you need to use a POE injector with it. It's a Logitech brand device, so hopefully it will work.
 
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@bertsirkin has experimented with some of the various replacement powerline devices, and so I defer to him as more knowledgeable. However, I would just like to caution you that you may have problems on your network by using this technology as apposed to hard wiring your cameras to your Ethernet. I once had the maximum of six Logitech cameras on my router, and used the Logitech Commander to view them locally and remotely. Over the years that I used this setup, I experienced tons of problems. Most of the problems were due to these powerline devices. When I discovered that Logitech was getting out of their Alert camera line, I decided that I would replace them with IP cameras and an NVR. I decided that I didn't ever want to have to rely on a particular company for their proprietary cameras and web viewing software. So, I purchased several Danua cameras, and a Dahua NVR. At first, I stupidly connected the camera and NVR using these same powerline devices. While using these devices, I again experienced loss of video. I even loss video on hard wired cameras (I.e., cameras wired to the Ethernet via cable). I have since hard wired all of my cameras except two. Magically, no more problems. In fact, I would propose that my camera problems were directly proportional to the number of cameras I had connected with those powerline devices. I plan to eliminate them entirely.
 
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FWIW, I've had pretty good luck with a mix of Logitech and Hikvision cameras. I have 7 cameras (3 Logitech and 4 Hikvision). 2 are Logitech Alert cameras wired directly to my router using a POE injector and the remaining are all connected via the Logitech powerline/POE adapters. Once in a great while, a camera loses connection for a short time, but it's pretty rare. I think the reliability of the powerline adapters is related to a number of other factors: line conditioners, motors, etc. that are connected to the electrical circuits.

I tried replacing the Logitech powerline adapter with one made by TP-Link, but I couldn't get it working. At some point, I'm going to try the ZyXel powerline adapters, as I've read very good things about them. But, for now, I'm sticking with what's working!

Lately, however, I've been having an issue where I lose ALL cameras (even the directly wired ones) - I'm using Blue Iris. When this happens, I have to unplug the Logitech powerline adapter that's connected to the router and plug it back in. As soon as it's plugged back in, all the cameras come back after a few seconds. This has been randomly happening once every few days.

Clearly, the best option is directly wiring the cameras to a POE router, but it's not always possible to run coax where you need it.
 
bertsirkin
Much appreciate all the information. I'm also a Logitech Alert user (700 series - 2 indoor, 2 outdoor cameras). Overall, this system has been working fairly well for me for the past 3 years, but I anticipate issues as things continue to age/break down.
I was also looking at the Hikvision POE camera's as a replacement (along with changing to Blue Iris) - and was looking through this forum to see what was needed to add them. Similar to others, some of my camera's are quite far away from the final control computer and the prospect of running direct wiring for all camera's isn't pretty. Even with it's faults, the Logitech power-line approach worked SO MUCH better than other Wifi camera's I tried previously.
So - don't want to go Wifi and don't really have good option to go completely direct connect. Power-line is still the best option (IMO). Aside from the Logitech products, hasn't any other manufacture released a decent power-line security camera series?

If you have any success with Zyxel (or other Powerline adapters) - please advise. Considering all the decent Hikvision and Dahau POE camera's - I would think someone out there has successfully connected them over a power-line network.

Thanks!
 
wernerh said:
bertsirkin
Much appreciate all the information. I'm also a Logitech Alert user (700 series - 2 indoor, 2 outdoor cameras). Overall, this system has been working fairly well for me for the past 3 years, but I anticipate issues as things continue to age/break down.
I was also looking at the Hikvision POE camera's as a replacement (along with changing to Blue Iris) - and was looking through this forum to see what was needed to add them. Similar to others, some of my camera's are quite far away from the final control computer and the prospect of running direct wiring for all camera's isn't pretty. Even with it's faults, the Logitech power-line approach worked SO MUCH better than other Wifi camera's I tried previously.
So - don't want to go Wifi and don't really have good option to go completely direct connect. Power-line is still the best option (IMO). Aside from the Logitech products, hasn't any other manufacture released a decent power-line security camera series?

If you have any success with Zyxel (or other Powerline adapters) - please advise. Considering all the decent Hikvision and Dahau POE camera's - I would think someone out there has successfully connected them over a power-line network.

Thanks!
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Well... like most other endeavors, there's more to this than meets the eye - at least MY eye.

I started off getting a Hikvision bullet camera to replace my dead Logitech (outdoor) camera. When I saw the incredible quality, I bought another to replace a functioning Logitech camera. I ended up replacing several others as well. That was expensive enough. But... it continues.

Blue Iris is very nice, but, it's VERY expensive - the software is reasonably priced, but the hardware you need to go along with it, isn't. At first I put it on my normal desktop computer. But, Blue Iris pretty much takes over the CPU, so I had a computer I wasn't using, and put it on that. The older Intel I7 processor (960) wasn't anywhere near enough to handle Blue Iris. It was chugging along at 50% to 80% CPU usage with nothing else on it (I have 7 cameras). It's generating so much heat that I can't sit at my desk anymore without a fan to move the hot air away from me! So, I ended up buying a new $600 computer just to deal with the cameras and Blue Iris. (read some of the threads here on hardware)

I also found I couldn't go to any other powerline adapter because my older house doesn't have grounded outlets everywhere. So, I bought 250 feet of Cat 5E and Cat 6 and wired everything directly using POE injectors. I ran cat6 outside (around two sides of my house) to get it into the basement. I connected a switch there and ran cable from there to all my cameras.

So, it's not been an easy (or cheap) transition.
 
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Hmmmm.... - you brought up some points that I wasn't even thinking about. My current Camera computer system is a fairly low power AMD all in one box. Small, quiet - but not that much CPU power either (of course I don't have anything else running on it either).

Aside from BlueIris, I was thinking about Sighthound - but it's fairly pricey for the pro version (more than 2 camera support - around $250 I recall) and it hasn't been around anywhere near as long as BlueIris.

A couple - hopefully simple - questions.
1. When you replaced a Logitech Camera with Hikivision - can you just use the Logitech powerline adapter (I realize of course that you need to switch from Logitech Alert SW to Blue Iris or something else too, but wanted to confirm you didn't need additional HW)?
2. Can I ask where you sourced the Hikivision camera's from (lots of different discussion on that on this forum)?

Greatly appreciate your input - many thanks!
 
<<When you replaced a Logitech Camera with Hikivision - can you just use the Logitech powerline adapter (I realize of course that you need to switch from Logitech Alert SW to Blue Iris or something else too, but wanted to confirm you didn't need additional HW)?>>
Yes, the Logitech powerline adapter (which includes the POE injector) worked fine with the Hikvision cameras.

<<Can I ask where you sourced the Hikivision camera's from (lots of different discussion on that on this forum)?>>
I purchased from Amazon - that being said, there are multiple choices on Amazon with a fairly wide price difference. Some have US support; some don't. Some are multi-language; some are English; and some are (possibly) Chinese. I ended up paying the higher price, opting for the ones with US support.

I didn't buy all my Hikvision cameras at the same time, and probably purchased from different sources (even though all were purchased on the Amazon site). What I found was that the software they provide (SADPtool) is needed to "activate" some of the cameras, but not all. Also, multiple versions of the software came with multiple cameras - and not each version worked with all of the cameras. I had to uninstall/re-install several times to get the software to work with all of the cameras. That software not only "activates" the cameras (by having you enter a password for the camera), but it also allows you to set the IP address/DHCP (although I never was able to get DHCP working). Some of the cameras didn't require activation and came set with a simple password (12345).
 
I have a number of working Logitech Powerline adaptors - I don't think I have any masters left. about half have never been used. The system worked fine though the power circuit adaptors.

I installed an individual CAT6 cable from a central point using 6 ports of an 8 port Gigabit POE injector I connected an eight Port Gigabit LAN switch to each of the corresponding POE camera ports. Reset all the cameras and ran the ALERT software.

To my surprise all Logitech Cameras appeared and have been perfect ever since Some 4 years ago.

I as amazed at how well the POE Injector worked as it was quiet expensive product deigned and manufacture I do believe out of Austin Texas called "WiFi Texas".
The link https://find-a-poe.com/product/WT-GPOE-8-48v60w/. Mine was an older type with plugs on the sides. So small yet a great piece of easy to set up. reliable hardware.
hanks guys fantastic work !

This unit delivers, using 803.2af @ 48VDC, a variety of current levels for any load using 10/100/1000 LAN POE device that will provide power IP Devices depending on the capacity of the seven available power supplies

The Logitech Alert Cameras have not missed a beat therefore I can dispose of the HOMEPLUGS.
They are LA700A - I will have to do count but suspect there are at least 8 available - I live in Australia so if you make me an offer then you will also pay freight. ( $10 -$50 USD to send with tracking and arrive USA roughly 3 to 6 days.


1) A Powerline Adapter - passes the Ethernet connection thru the powerline
2) A POE Injector - passes the power thru the Ethernet cablea)

The Logitech brick combines both of these things. You plug-in the Powerline Adapter and run an Cat5 cable from it to the POE Injector (which also plugs in). YOu then run Ethernet from the POE Injector to the camera.

I've had no luck with other brand powerline adapters. For a POE injector, I use the TP-Link TL-POE150S.

I just purchased this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004F9P2L4 - this is a Logitech-brand Powerline Adapter, and you need to use a POE injector with it. It's a Logitech brand device, so hopefully it will work.[/QUOTE]
 
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