connecting an wifi ipcam to a dvr

[corvairbob]

ok i have a dvr that only has h.264 on it for any information. in the tiny cam app i use yale for camera brand and hd720 for camera model and doing that with regular plug in cameras i have 3 working.

what i need is to get the wifi ip cameras that tiny cam sees to work on this dvr. so i set the cam up for lan connection and then cut a cat5 cable and got the orange/white and orange wires and connected them to the baulin adapter and plugged it into the dvr and i get no video. what is wrong. do i have to tell the dvr it is seeing a lan connected ip camera? is there any instructions form the very beginning to the end for doing this? anyone can you help me out here. thanks

 

[GCoco]

Really confusing what you described. Please be more detailed.

 

[TonyR]

What is the make and model of the DVR?

Is this DVR for analog cameras (are there BNC connectors on the back) ?

 

[corvairbob]

ok i have a dve and the only information it has on it for model is h.264
i have 3 bullet cameras connected to this dvr and they display on the monitor
i have 8 ip cameras the i can see in the tiny cam app that are connect to the router with cat5 cable the wifi was turned off on the ip cameras and i use the cat5 cable for video feed to the router
i have 5 balin connectors for the back of the dvr so i can connect the 5 ip cams to it
i took 1 ip cam and cut a cat5 cable and plugged that cat5 cable into the network switch and used the orange wire sticking out of the cut cat5 cable and put in the neg terminal of the balin connector
i took the other wire the orange and white wire and put it in the positive terminal of the balin connector.
i plugged the balin connector into tap 2 of the h.264 dvr and i did not get any video. i have the dvr set for 4 screens 1 to 4.
the ip camera was plugged into its own power supply so i don't need power to it.
so anyone know why i did not get any video from the ip camera?
what pair of wires supplies video to the balin connector?
also do i need to tell the dvr it is using feed from an ip camera? seems to me if the camera has power, the video feed should be there and the dvr takes that video feed and sends it to the camera display on the monitor i have the balin plugged into

is this simple enough for you?

 

[corvairbob]

What is the make and model of the DVR?

Is this DVR for analog cameras (are there BNC connectors on the back) ?

i said it is an h.264 that is in the monitor display and there is nothing on the dvr or the box. in tinycam i use yale for dvr make and hd720 for the camera model that is what alex said to use

the back of the dvr is bnc connectors and i got some adapter so i cut the cat5 cable and connect 2 wires to the bnc adpater. on a youtube they said orange and orange/white were video feeds.

i tired all for sets both polarities and got nothing on the monitor. i had the adapter plugged into port 2 of the dvr and got no video in cam 2 with the dvr set for 4 screens.

i even reset the info for that camera so it would match the dvr but the dvr should have played the video regardless of any app settings. thanks

 

[pozzello]

in general, 'balun's are used to connect analog cams (or cams with BNC video output) to a compatible DVR over cat5/ethernet type wiring. ie, just a physical converter from coax to cat5 and back.

your DVR must have a model designation other than h.264, which a video encoding protocol, but does seem to imply the DVR has some networking capabilities (and perhaps only on the output side for viewing via the network and/or mobile apps.

we'd really need more info about what specific brand and model of DVR and cameras you are working with to provide any useful help...

maybe a picture or two of the unit and the connectors you are describing?...

 

[corvairbob]

in general, 'balun's are used to connect analog cams (or cams with BNC video output) to a compatible DVR over cat5/ethernet type wiring. ie, just a physical converter from coax to cat5 and back.

your DVR must have a model designation other than h.264, which a video encoding protocol, but does seem to imply the DVR has some networking capabilities (and perhaps only on the output side for viewing via the network and/or mobile apps.

we'd really need more info about what specific brand and model of DVR and cameras you are working with to provide any useful help...

maybe a picture or two of the unit and the connectors you are describing?...

i have that dvr on the internet i can see the 3 bullet cams when away for home here are some pictures there is no info on the box or the unit or in the software except for h.264 thanks

 

[TonyR]

is this simple enough for you?

1) You did not answer my question "Is this DVR for analog cameras (are there BNC connectors on the back) ?"
That alone will answer why your "IP cams" cannot be tied to baluns and fed into your DVR and expected to work.

2) If you're going to be a smartass you can go elsewhere....understood?

 

[corvairbob]

1) You did not answer my question "Is this DVR for analog cameras (are there BNC connectors on the back) ?"
That alone will answer why your "IP cams" cannot be tied to baluns and fed into your DVR and expected to work.

2) If you're going to be a smartass you can go elsewhere....understood?

i answered your questions did you not see the pictures is show the back of the damn thing i told you all this has on it i h.264 what els do you need i can't give you info i do not have i said i have balin connectors for it those are bcn connectors

so do not get after me if your not understanding what i'm telling you.

 

[pozzello]

the picture of the back of the NVR shows the BNC inputs for analog (or HDCVI-type) cameras.
yes, the output side of the NVR is via the network, but the nvr is acting as a 'converter' to IP networking,
which is why/how you can see it from the internet and in your mobile app.

unless it's a 'hybrid' type NVR, it probably cannot accept input directly from a strictly IP camera.

your only hope (if the NVR supports it at all) is to connect the camera to your LAN via etherenet/cat5 or wifi,
and then have the NVR pulll the stream from the LAN side. But your NVR may not be capable of that...

 

[corvairbob]

ok thanks i'm thinking then that your saying that, that my unit may not be capable of getting the video from the camera. my unit is a dvr unit not a nvr. thanks it sounds like this is a lost cause for trying and what i need to do is get more bullet cameras and just use them. they have the bnc connectors on them and should connect up like the bullet cameras i now have on it. it was worth a try as you never really know until you give it a try. again pozzello thanks for the help. i will look for different cameras before i go further.

 

[TonyR]

ok thanks i'm thinking then that your saying that, that my unit may not be capable of getting the video from the camera. my unit is a dvr unit not a nvr. thanks it sounds like this is a lost cause for trying and what i need to do is get more bullet cameras and just use them. they have the bnc connectors on them and should connect up like the bullet cameras i now have on it. it was worth a try as you never really know until you give it a try. again pozzello thanks for the help. i will look for different cameras before i go further.

You're correct: I failed to see your answer about BNC connectors in all that text and photos. I'm glad @pozzello got things sorted out for you.

FWIW:

"H.264" is a video compression format; the term does not indicate what type of camera, analog or IP, is in use. It does mean that the device performing the recording function employs that specific video compression format.

A "bullet" camera can be an analog camera or an IP camera. It is cylindrical like a soda can, flat lens and with IR LED's behind the lens.

A "balun" is a device that joins a balanced line (one that has two conductors, with equal currents in opposite directions, such as a CAT-5 cable) to an unbalanced line (one that has just one conductor and a ground, such as a coax cable). The term is derived by combining balanced and unbalanced. They are generally for placing analog cameras onto CAT-5 cables instead of coax or "Siamese" cable (video + power).

An IP camera uses 2 specific twisted pairs for data; if it's also POE capable (Power Over Ethernet), it uses 2 more specific pairs for DC power.

You are correct...you need an NVR for your IP cameras or more analog camera (can be bullet style) to use with your analog DVR.

 

[corvairbob]

You're correct: I failed to see your answer about BNC connectors in all that text and photos. I'm glad @pozzello got things sorted out for you.

FWIW:

"H.264" is a video compression format; the term does not indicate what type of camera, analog or IP, is in use. It does mean that the device performing the recording function employs that specific video compression format.

A "bullet" camera can be an analog camera or an IP camera. It is cylindrical like a soda can, flat lens and with IR LED's behind the lens.

A "balun" is a device that joins a balanced line (one that has two conductors, with equal currents in opposite directions, such as a CAT-5 cable) to an unbalanced line (one that has just one conductor and a ground, such as a coax cable). The term is derived by combining balanced and unbalanced. They are generally for placing analog cameras onto CAT-5 cables instead of coax or "Siamese" cable (video + power).

An IP camera uses 2 specific twisted pairs for data; if it's also POE capable (Power Over Ethernet), it uses 2 more specific pairs for DC power.

You are correct...you need an NVR for your IP cameras or more analog camera (can be bullet style) to use with your analog DVR.

thanks i had someone else tell me about that same thing. i was watching a you tube and the guy did hook up a wifi ip cam using the cat5 cable in the cam and then took the orange and white/orange and connected them to the baulin adapter and he got his to work. but then again he must have had the correct cam for the dvr.

the bullet cams i have are like your describing that use the coax 2 wire cable and plug into the back of the dvr and the other end to the cam. those cams are matched to the dvr for the kind of signal they need. so this was an experiment in futility i guess. it was that i have 5 of the ptz ip cams and 8 of the bullet cams and was hoping to get them all on the dvr. it looks like i will have to find some dome ip cams that are wired the same as the dvr and then i will have what i need.

thanks for that help.