Setting up "rack" with POE cameras, can I use a Punch Down?

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Morning all, simple question, I'm setting up a "rack" not professional, but wired shelving to hold all of my A/V equipment. I have about 5 IP cameras that are all POE, what I'm hoping to do is have all of my CAT cables run to a central punch down then use patch cables from there.

What I'm trying to accomplish (please chime in if you see a better way). This is residential use:
All CAT cables Homeruned to punch down mount on wall > punch down to switch mounted on wall > single cable from switch on wall to switch mount on my moveable wired shelving. I want to do it this way because in the event I need to move all of my equipment and/or get behind it the rack will have wheels and i'll jsut have to unplug 1 CAT cable and probably 1 power cable vs. multiple.

Question:
Can the POE travel through the Punch Down? Any downside to this?

THANKS for input...
 
If I understand your post correctly, you want to use something like this...Amazon.com: Cable Matters Rackmount or Wallmount 24-Port Cat6 RJ45 Patch Panel: Computers & Accessories ?
If its just a patch panel, you can run POE through it with no issues.
Also, why are you using two switches? Why not just get a small rack, run the cat cables into a patch panel, then into a POE switch, then to your NVR?

If you are looking for portability, get a wall mounted rack, mount the NVR, rack POE switch, and punchdown panel all in the rack. You can then remove the 5 cameras from the punch panel and take the whole rack with you.
 
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If I understand your post correctly, you want to use something like this...Amazon.com: Cable Matters Rackmount or Wallmount 24-Port Cat6 RJ45 Patch Panel: Computers & Accessories ?
If its just a patch panel, you can run POE through it with no issues.
Also, why are you using two switches? Why not just get a small rack, run the cat cables into a patch panel, then into a POE switch, then to your NVR?

Thanks yes.

Answer your question - because on my rack I will have my computer (nvr), modem/router, audio reciever, cable box, etc. Therefore, if I'm thinking it out correctly, I need a switch on the rack for all of that stuff and also a switch on the wall if I don't want to have multiple patch cables coming from the punch down fastened to the wall over to the rack (just in case I want to move it out for some reason I just have one cable from switch to switch) am I missing something, this can be done?


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I think I understand. You can get something like this Amazon.com: Samson SRK16 Universal Rack Stand: Musical Instruments and whatever you cant rack mount (cable box) use something like this Amazon.com: StarTech 2U Universal Vented Rack Mount Cantilever Shelf for 19-Inch Server Racks - 16-Inch, Black (CABSHELFV): Computers & Accessories
As far as using multiple switches, you will want to use one POE switch strictly for the cameras so your ip cams don't use bandwidth on you home network (I'm sure there are other members here that could better explain that). So it would be cameras > patch panel > POE switch > NVR > non-POE switch > router. You could use the same patch panel for your other network devices and just use patch cables to go to the other switch for your home network. Xbox > patch panel > non-POE switch > router. Depending on how many LAN devices you have, you may not need the second switch and just use the remaining 3 LAN ports on the back of the router.
 
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I think I understand. You can get something like this Amazon.com: Samson SRK16 Universal Rack Stand: Musical Instruments and whatever you cant rack mount (cable box) use something like this Amazon.com: StarTech 2U Universal Vented Rack Mount Cantilever Shelf for 19-Inch Server Racks - 16-Inch, Black (CABSHELFV): Computers & Accessories
As far as using multiple switches, you will want to use one POE switch strictly for the cameras so your ip cams don't use bandwidth on you home network (I'm sure there are other members here that could better explain that). So it would be cameras > patch panel > POE switch > NVR > non-POE switch > router. You could use the same patch panel for your other network devices and just use patch cables to go to the other switch for your home network. Xbox > patch panel > non-POE switch > router. Depending on how many LAN devices you have, you may not need the second switch and just use the remaining 3 LAN ports on the back of the router.

So my rack is actually a NFS 5 shelf system on wheels, (about $120) again this is home residential, so I didn't want to go crazy and also wanted to keep my AV equipment in same area so the rack you linked wouldn't have worked.

I am going to use the POE switch (8port) soley for my 5-6 IP Cameras, but I will be using my Computer and Blue Iris as the NVR/DVR so do you anticipate a bandwith problem still? I am basically planning on this:

Cameras & other CATS > patch panel > POE switch OR non camera CATs direct to Wall Mounted switch > (over to rack with a single cable) > rack switch (which my other devices BLURAY/XBOX/ETC will also go into > router.

What would the best way to set this up so the bandwith is separate if i'm using my computer Blue Iris as a DVR/NVR and also to run my home automation.
 
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Thanks for input on racks,

Thanks for suggestion on rack, I'm already set with a "makeshift NFS wired shelving system". Again needs to house cable box receiver xbox router cpu bluray, etc
 
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Thanks for input on racks,
Thanks for suggestion on rack, I'm already set with a "makeshift NFS wired shelving system". Again needs to house cable box receiver xbox router cpu bluray, etc
IMHO, your patch panel shouldn't be on wheels. Mount the patch panel to the wall and run patch cables from there to the rack.
 
@tangent, yes that's what I'm planning. all my CAT cables homeruned to the wall right behind the "rack". Put a 24 port patch panel on the wall, that patch panel will handle my POE cameras and also any other CAT cables coming down to that area. From that patch panel, I plan to also have a switch on the wall and have all patch cables from there to the switch. Then one single cable over to the rack. Again, I was doing it this way to avoid multiple cables coming across in the case where i need to disconnect something and move the rack temporarlily it's 1 cable vs. Multiple. Would that not work?
 
@tangent, yes that's what I'm planning. all my CAT cables homeruned to the wall right behind the "rack". Put a 24 port patch panel on the wall, that patch panel will handle my POE cameras and also any other CAT cables coming down to that area. From that patch panel, I plan to also have a switch on the wall and have all patch cables from there to the switch. Then one single cable over to the rack. Again, I was doing it this way to avoid multiple cables coming across in the case where i need to disconnect something and move the rack temporarlily it's 1 cable vs. Multiple. Would that not work?
That's what I'd prefer to do too (given the options your presenting).
 
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It would work but personally, It seems like a lot of extra work and since half of your network equipment is going to be mounted to a wall anyway. I don't see why you wouldn't just rack mount everything and when you have to move, just unscrew the rack (since you have to do that with switches and patch panel) and go; or get a rack with wheels or a standing rack.
 
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@drew91101 Yea, I see your point. But really the POE switch and one other switch is only thing mounted to wall.

I was just hoping to when/if I need to get behind the rack to not have to remove alot of patch cables/switches, which is why I was thinking of two switches one on wall and one on rack. But I overthink alot, and realistically, I would just have to move it out enough to maybe access the back of the equipment and/or clean behind it, not really to move regularlly across the room... So maybe I can skip on the wall switch and just have one on the rack, get 5-6' patch cables (for my IP cameras and other cat cables) and leave a little slack so if/when i need to move the rack out i can do so without removing the cables... I'll have to think it out a little more...

Good info and advice... Thank you!
 
Wall mounted racks like the one I linked earlier can also provide some security for your nvr/pc and are available in a range of sizes.
 
Agreed tangent! I also have a habit of knocking crap over so having everything neat and secured is a plus. As far as cleaning behind my rack, nothing a can of air duster can't fix. Take a picture when you are done, I'm curious to see what you come up with.
 
all good points... Again I think i think too much. If I didn't just finish an overbudget remodel, and had some extra funds the wall mount rack is definitely nicer/cleanest way to go. I definitely want it neat, I plan to make it as neat as possible on the wire shelving rack, no lose wires etc, secure is another thing, secure as in not falling off the shelf will be hard but I don't see that happening based on the location and minimum amount of time I'll have to move it. And since it's "shelving rack" I won't be able to really get underneath without moving it. As as far as secure, theft wise, I plan to possible hide a external drive or remotely backup video feeds. still a work in progress....

Thanks again, and I'll post a pic of the before (now) which is a spaghetti mess and an after once I firm up the way I want to go.
 
Concerning this: Can the POE travel through the Punch Down? Any downside to this?

Yes the POE can travel though the punch down connections.

The downside, each connection increases resistance and voltage loss. Will that matter? How long is the cable run between cameras and the rack with the POE power source?

The longer it is, the better chance of your POE cams having problems. Specially if the cams have built in IR. IR can take a lot of power to run.

You can always leave a loop of cable to give you some extra slack. If your cams experience issues related to low voltage, try going direct.

Be sure your POE source is strong and has a good power supply. I like to use a POE switch that has a lot more powered connections then I will actually need, this gives you some power "overhead" so your not operating at max watts the power supply can produce. Example, you have 4 POE cams and you buy a cheap 4 port POE switch.

Then you experience power related problems with your cams and wonder what is wrong cause after all, you did get a 4 port switch so it should work right? Well, yes and no.

If I were running 4 cams, I would get a 8 port or 16 port POE switch so you have a power supply with "headroom" and room to ad more cams later as there is no such thing as enough cams. I myself am looking at that very situation right now, I want to ad another cam to cover a blind spot in my backyard. I have enough power, I think, as it wont be a super long cable run and I have plenty of extra ports on my POE switch. Just have to buy the cam, run the cable, plug it in and viola, I hope. Problem, it is 10 degrees outside. Kinda puts a damper of my enthusiasm for being outside running new cable and hanging a new cam. Probably wait til spring to get that cam added.

If you buy a rack to keep everything in be sure to consider cooling requirements. If it is totally enclosed, make plans and leave room for fans mounts to the inside top of the rack that exhaust air out holes in the top, or the top rear. Use super large, low speed case fans.

I have a few larger server cases and they have really big fans on the tops and sides but they are quite because they turn slow but move a lot of air. If I were going to use an enclosed rack, I would plan on the top 4 inches being open, then I would mount as many of these fans that I could with holes cut in the top.

If that would not work out I would make a false top via adding a shelf 4 inched from the top inside, mount the fans on that and leave the top rear open so the air would flow out that opening. How you do it depends on what is visible and what you want etc. Make sure to use industry standard fans so 5 yrs from now you can replace them easily.

If you use 4 fans, run them from 2 different power supplies, place LED lights inside run by the same power that runs the fans so you can easily see if a power supply dumps, and/or run some relays with a buzzer that is wired so the power keeps the buzzer from sounding, if a power supply goes out the buzzer sounds. With the 2 separate power supplies, you got a much better chance of only 1 power supply going out at one time. In an enclosed rack, everything will fry if your cooling system goes out, plan so it don't with plenty of fans and power supplies.

Save the very bottom of your rack for one of more UPS power backups systems. I suggest running 2 larger ones. You can find some good deals on new ones on ebay. Plan on new batteries for these every 2 to 5 yrs. Just because it is a rack does not mean you must run rack mounted UPS systems. You can easily use the larger rectangular brick looking models if you leave room.

Do keep these heavy UPS buggers on the bottom as if you don't, your rack could become a lot more easy to tip over. Do run some anchors from the wall to help hold it in place, specially if you have kids. Kids get into everything and you don't want a heavy rack falling over because junior decided to open it and climb up the steps (computers) inside. This includes grand kids.

Hope this stuff is of help to you.

Robert
 
The Tripp-Lite rack specs depth of 16.5" and the Dahua 5416 is 16.2" deep. Is there room in the doors or whatever for power cable and ethernet cables?
 
The Tripp-Lite rack specs depth of 16.5" and the Dahua 5416 is 16.2" deep. Is there room in the doors or whatever for power cable and ethernet cables?

At first I thought you maybe able to get a power cord with a 90 degree bend... however I think that still is too thick...
https://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Enclosure-Switch-Depth-SRW12U/dp/B009B1I1C8/?tag=ipctk-20

If you want to install that model NVR and use this enclosure I would mount 2x4s on the back as stand offs and that will give you another 1.5" - which would be good for the power cord.

For the ethernet cables - it still is very tight imho - so probably a separate PoE switch which is shorter in depth.
 
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