VIDEO: Off-duty Alabama officer hit by car in his front yard
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sebastiantombs
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I saw that yesterday and it made me just a little angry. The Jeep driver was definitely trying to severely injure, if not kill, the cop. I hope he got at least 110 grains heavier for his efforts!
This puzzles me...from the time he entered his own door near the Ring to get his pistol, it took almost 20 seconds for the off duty officer to exit that same door.
Had he made it out in 10 he could have shot the bastid in his carport!
FWIW, my secondary pistol (primary is on me when I'm outdoors or away from home) is still no farther than 5 seconds from either door of my house, tertiary in bathroom no more than 12 seconds round trip from entry door. Maybe he had it in a digitally-locked gun safe, etc. I wouldn't count on it's usefulness when I have to remember, then relax and correctly punch in the very first time a code to get my pistol....too late by then, IMO.
Of course, it's just me, the missus and the dogs...no kids to consider with a loaded pistol laying around.
Had he made it out in 10 he could have shot the bastid in his carport!
FWIW, my secondary pistol (primary is on me when I'm outdoors or away from home) is still no farther than 5 seconds from either door of my house, tertiary in bathroom no more than 12 seconds round trip from entry door. Maybe he had it in a digitally-locked gun safe, etc. I wouldn't count on it's usefulness when I have to remember, then relax and correctly punch in the very first time a code to get my pistol....too late by then, IMO.
Of course, it's just me, the missus and the dogs...no kids to consider with a loaded pistol laying around.
sebastiantombs
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My retrieval time is probably in the under 10 second range and I'm thinking about making it zero from my favorite spot on the couch. Getting lazy in my old age.
snoyes34231
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People are just crazy. I can't tell if the truck is a marked policy vehicle or not, but clearly it is a police vehicle and clearly the guy was singling the officer out for some reason. I wonder if there is a longer personal history there or if the guy simply hates cops?
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I really need to do a better job of conceal carry. Although "printing" is not illegal, it can be a royal pain if some dumbchit yells "he's gotta gun!" and calls 911. As you know, in Florida, it's typically shorts and a T-shirt so a little more challenging than places where it's jacket weather. Because of my concern I typically don't have it on my person and I've been warned by my neighbor (cop and cop trainer/instructor) that I really need to take it more seriously and carry and to always have a firearm loaded/chambered next to me in my car. Typically, I throw the magazine in the glove box.....I know, I know, I know 
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looney2ns
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My Ruger LCP with 8rnd mag and Crimson Trace grip activated laser, rides in my front pocket in a Kydex holster every waking moment. Spare 8rnds on my hip. My "retrieval" time is 2-3 seconds or less. Depends if I'm walking around with my hand already in my pocket or not. 
There is no "printing" that anyone would have a clue to what it is, with the holster.
Most folks simply are not that observant, you could walk around with your forehead on fire, and most wouldn't notice.
When I sit down at night for Tv time, weapon still in the holster lays on the end table next to me, again 2-3 seconds retrieval without getting up.
I run IDPA style live drills with said setup at least once per month, I should do it more often, but it doesn't happen.
I practice reloads as well at that time.
Then there is the dry fire drills I perform once or twice per week with the same gun. Works wonders, and only take's 5 minutes or so to do.
A second LCP w/ctl rides in the center console of our Pilot, and can be reached and retrieved with one hand still on the steering wheel in 2-4 seconds. I can do it by feel, without taking eyes off the road. From either the drivers or passenger seat.
My 2 cents worth of Monday quarterbacking... Cop went in the house, he had gotten away from the threat. Should have instead took up a position of defense in the house, he had already called 911, with the front door locked and not went back outside.
The fight you avoid is the fight you win.
There is no "printing" that anyone would have a clue to what it is, with the holster.
Most folks simply are not that observant, you could walk around with your forehead on fire, and most wouldn't notice.
When I sit down at night for Tv time, weapon still in the holster lays on the end table next to me, again 2-3 seconds retrieval without getting up.
I run IDPA style live drills with said setup at least once per month, I should do it more often, but it doesn't happen.
I practice reloads as well at that time.
Then there is the dry fire drills I perform once or twice per week with the same gun. Works wonders, and only take's 5 minutes or so to do.
A second LCP w/ctl rides in the center console of our Pilot, and can be reached and retrieved with one hand still on the steering wheel in 2-4 seconds. I can do it by feel, without taking eyes off the road. From either the drivers or passenger seat.
My 2 cents worth of Monday quarterbacking... Cop went in the house, he had gotten away from the threat. Should have instead took up a position of defense in the house, he had already called 911, with the front door locked and not went back outside.
The fight you avoid is the fight you win.
Sybertiger
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My guess is that his mentality was "I'm a cop, I'm off-duty, but I'm still a cop and we can't have this guy on the loose as too many cops have been ambushed just for being cops". Maybe mortally stupid, maybe legally stupid but I applaud him for having the guts to end this foolishness. I think we can mark this as a "win" for society in general.
sebastiantombs
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As I see it, he did what a cop is supposed to do and is, in my mind, obligated to do. Being a cop is actually a 24/7 job and that rarely gets mentioned. As soon as that guy in the Jeep tried to run him down the first time he could be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. That immediately puts the "off duty" cop back "on duty". then becomes his job, which he s sworn to do, to arrest the Jeep driver. Maybe as a civilian you would have a choice to make, but as an officer of the law the choice was made the day you were sworn.
looney2ns
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You're right, I wasn't thinking in that frame of mind.
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When he went back out and the guy backed up and came a him again, why didn't he start shooting? In fact given it was assault wiht a deadly weapon, when he got back in the deadly weapon, wouldn't the officer have been justified in shooting him for simply getting back in the car? I didn't notice any shots although I couldn't watch through the link above only a 240p copy on YT.
The incident also probably justifies having a long gun in reach, maybe an AR.
The incident also probably justifies having a long gun in reach, maybe an AR.
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looney2ns
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Adrenaline dump can cause havoc on what you do.
CCTVCam
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Thanks Sybertiger. 
Much better view.
I still think he made 2 mistakes (3 if you're a civilian which he wasn't), although point 1 depends on the local laws on self defence:
1. He should have shot him when he started to drive off as the car was the deadly weapon and it was forseable he was backing up to use it again
2. Upon seeing the car back up, he should have positioned himself behind the tree to the left of the driveway
3. When he went inside he should have stayed there and defended the door entry from a cover position (civialian version) obviously as an LEO he probably ahd a duty to confront although he could have waited for backup
Extra: Having an AR to hand would have been better as faster rate of fire and more stopping power especially against a subject in a vehicle - for me it would have been in the following calibres - .458 SOCOM, .500 Beowolf or an HCAR (.30-06). You can probably tell, I don't vbelieve in messing around albeit I have to imagine it in my country whilst hiding.
Much better view.
I still think he made 2 mistakes (3 if you're a civilian which he wasn't), although point 1 depends on the local laws on self defence:
1. He should have shot him when he started to drive off as the car was the deadly weapon and it was forseable he was backing up to use it again
2. Upon seeing the car back up, he should have positioned himself behind the tree to the left of the driveway
3. When he went inside he should have stayed there and defended the door entry from a cover position (civialian version) obviously as an LEO he probably ahd a duty to confront although he could have waited for backup
Extra: Having an AR to hand would have been better as faster rate of fire and more stopping power especially against a subject in a vehicle - for me it would have been in the following calibres - .458 SOCOM, .500 Beowolf or an HCAR (.30-06). You can probably tell, I don't vbelieve in messing around albeit I have to imagine it in my country whilst hiding.
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Yeah I know but that's why you watch videos such as Active Self protection and practice scenarios to get yurself into the position of knowing instinctively how to react.
I guess one of the problems with firing back is since all the Cop to prison incidents for shootings, cops are probably reluctant to use deadly force unless it's clear cut.
looney2ns
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Most cops are not "gun guys" so they are lucky if they fire their weapons once per year, let alone train in such instances.
I know a retired Evansville PD swat captain that said it was like pulling teeth to get rank and file officers out to the range for qualifications on a yearly basis, and in a lot of case's, the standards they must meet to qualify, doesn't amount to much.
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