Few questions for a noob :)

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Whoa-Nelly

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This lurker is finally posting, hi everyone!

OK so Im getting into this as half hobbyist and half with mind of home security (to keep an eye on my car as people keep messing with it.) Im a noob, but Im an IT person by day. I started out with some indoor Foscams, and before y'all groan, for the price and 3 years later they are still going strong. But after finding this site and reading, reading and reading some more, I knew when it came for outdoor cams, I would step up to better cams. (dont care, still like my foscams for anything inside the house, until they die at least)

Ok so narrowed it down to hikvisions vs dahua, Im not opposed to the "china" versions, however my OCD makes me twitch a bit regarding Firmware, I mean Im also a if it aint broke kind dude but a bit of piece of mind always helps...this whole forum raves about Andy over at empiretek and that made me feel a bit better and helped me to finally choose Dahua and seems like the Starlights are the way to go! (thanks to Nayr's reviews cheers dude) Gonna go the Blue Iris route, as a vm with a dedicated HD for direct to disk (through Hyper-V.) So its down to the HDW5213R-Z vs the HDW4231EM and due to budget constraints right now (have to buy cam, blue iris, HD, poe switch or injector), probably gonna go with 1 cam to start, with intentions of possibly in total 3 later. Few questions:

I park my car at the end towards one side so the wife and back out of the garage. Our garage is a 1.5 size, however the driveway can fit 4 cars (to give idea of scope)

Since Im starting with one, I want to try to get the most of it, meaning keeping an eye on the both the driveway and car. In terms of camera placement, should I center it to the garage (mounted high up in in the middle of the door) or should I install it more towards inline with the car? ( was thinking center to get "more use" of it) Should i bite the bullet and splurge on the 5213 or would the 4231 suffice? What does the motorized lens get you?

In terms of camera and its POE, its full blown right? I dont need one of those injector splitters, if the ethernet cable is plugged into a POE switch or intector that should be good enough right?

Id probably start with a single POE injector before i got POE switch/more cameras. Ideally I wanted to just run one ethernet cable to the garage to a POE switch, but the summers can get pretty hot here in Toronto albeit short lived. Dont think a POE switch would last long in there, gets pretty warm in there (30C/86F) but you think injectors would do ok in there? I can save myself some cash that way as I already have a non POE GB switch not in use.

Sorry for the novel folks, but thank for looking!
 
The IPC-HDW5231R-Z camera only needs a PoE input, and I think I read that it only uses about 9W with IR on. Here is some information on PoE hardware I have collected:

PoE Injector Recommendations


Single Port 30W PoE+ Injector BV-Tech POE-I100G Gigabit (Black) $20.99 as of 7/6/17


Got a single ethernet cable and want to install multiple PoE Cameras?


1 to 4 PoE+ to PoE Extender OdiySurveil OM15121101 $33.69 as of 7/6/17 (Requires PoE+ Input)


PoE Switch Recommendations

4-Port PoE Switch BV-Tech POE-SW501 10/100Mbps $37.99 as of 7/6/17

8-Port PoE Switch BV-TECH 8 Port 120W 10/100Mbps $69.99 as of 7/6/17


Poe+ (802.3at) capable switches can be considerably more expensive than PoE (802.3af), but there are look at the “V7” brand of switches below:

4-Port PoE+ Switch TRENDnet TPE-TG44G, 4 x Gigabit PoE/PoE+ Ports, 4 x Gigabit Ports $74.99 as of 7/6/17

8-Port PoE+ Switch V7 PEGS8-1N 8 PORT Gigabit PoE+ 120W $48.46 as of 7/6/17

8-Port PoE+ Switch BV-Tech POE-SW800G 8 Port Gigabit PoE+ 130W $109.99 as of 7/6/17

8-Port PoE+ Switch TP-Link TL-SG1008PE 8-Port Gigabit PoE+ 124W $119.99 as of 7/6/17

8-Port PoE+ & 2-Port Non-PoE Switch Netis PE6110 10-Port Gigabit PoE+ 124W $89.99 as of 7/6/17

8-Port PoE+ & 8-Port Non-PoE Switch Linksys LGS116P 16-Port Gigabit PoE+ 80W $158.25 as of 7/6/17

16-Port PoE+ Switch V7 PEGS16-1N 16 PORT Gigabit PoE+ 120W $99.95 as of 7/6/17


PoE Splitter Recommendations

DSLRKIT PoE+ Splitter Adapter $8.99 as of 7/6/17 (long shipping time from China)

Power Output: DC12V (2A, 24W)

Xenocam 101D PoE+ Splitter Adapter $18.99 as of 7/6/17 (identical to above item)

Power Output: DC12V (2A, 24W)


SMAKN® Gigabit PoE+ Splitter Adapter $36.90 as of 7/6/17

Output: 5VDC (3.5A), 12VDC (2A, 24W), 18VDC (1A)

TP-Link TL-PoE10R Gigabit PoE Splitter Adapter $4.39 as of 7/6/17

Power output: 5VDC (2A), 9VDC (1A), 12VDC (1A, 12W)

TRENDnet TPE-104GS (Version v1.1R) Gigabit PoE Splitter Adapter $14.99 AS OF 7/6/17

Power output: 5 VDC (2A), 7.5 VDC (2A), 9 VDC (1.7 A), 12 VDC (1.2A, 14.4W)
 
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@giomania Thank you for all that, much appreciated! Any input regarding operating temps in a Garage?

@looney2ns yep, the whodunit is important. So the 5231's it is then. Will scale out over time so its not all $$$ spent in one shot. Thanks for the link. I was aware of the Camera Calculator bot not the tutorial. Id be mounting the cams to the soffit of the garage is is about 8ft or so. Here is a pic. The numbers indicate the order of preference/installation starting out, so 1 is the first one Im buying. I can easily run the Cat5 to the soffit from inside the garage. Cam3 I would put as far back as possible to ID people walking up to the house.
 

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@giomania Thank you for all that, much appreciated! Any input regarding operating temps in a Garage?

@looney2ns yep, the whodunit is important. So the 5231's it is then. Will scale out over time so its not all $$$ spent in one shot. Thanks for the link. I was aware of the Camera Calculator bot not the tutorial. Id be mounting the cams to the soffit of the garage is is about 8ft or so. Here is a pic. The numbers indicate the order of preference/installation starting out, so 1 is the first one Im buying. I can easily run the Cat5 to the soffit from inside the garage. Cam3 I would put as far back as possible to ID people walking up to the house.
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Garage temps, all you can do is look at the operating temp specs for your equipment of choice. My garage gets much warmer than yours, and I've had networking equipment out there for years. I just don't stack anything one top of each other. Some of the warmer running items, I changed the feet on them to raise them up 3/4" for better air flow. All setting on regular shelf's.
 
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@looney2ns, really? even POE switches? Saweet! Will certainly make the install that much easier then and can start on it now. (have to feed the initial cat5 line into the garage from the basement where the backbone is) Thank guys for taking the time to answer. Looking forward to the project.
 
Update: I found better (everday, not sale) prices on the V7 brand of switches at ProVantage, and updated the links below. I can't believe how inexpensive they are for 802.3at (PoE+) switches. While both the Amazon and ProVantage item descriptions only say PoE, the specifications on the Amazon page for PoE output is 30W per port, and the manufacturer posted that they are PoE+ compliant. I also verified the specifications on the manufacturer web site for 802.3at (PoE+).

Poe+ (802.3at) capable switches can be considerably more expensive than PoE (802.3af), but there are look at the “V7” brand of switches below:

4-Port PoE+ Switch TRENDnet TPE-TG44G, 4 x Gigabit PoE/PoE+ Ports, 4 x Gigabit Ports $74.99 as of 7/6/17

8-Port PoE+ Switch V7 PEGS8-1N 8 PORT Gigabit PoE+ 120W $37.06 as of 8/1/17 Specifications

8-Port PoE+ Switch BV-Tech POE-SW800G 8 Port Gigabit PoE+ 130W $109.99 as of 7/6/17

8-Port PoE+ Switch TP-Link TL-SG1008PE 8-Port Gigabit PoE+ 124W $119.99 as of 7/6/17

8-Port PoE+ & 2-Port Non-PoE Switch Netis PE6110 10-Port Gigabit PoE+ 124W $89.99 as of 7/6/17

8-Port PoE+ & 8-Port Non-PoE Switch Linksys LGS116P 16-Port Gigabit PoE+ 80W $158.25 as of 7/6/17

16-Port PoE+ Switch V7 PEGS16-1N 16 PORT Gigabit PoE+ 120W $85.21 as of 8/1/17 Specifications
 
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