Best system for me?

Colly420

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Hey so im trying to chose the best system for my cctv camera install at my home and outbuilding. Im currently running electric and cat6/ fibre to the outbuilding so know now is my best time to plan an install. Im not sure what is the best system so im going to set out my needs below:


The house is around 100m from the outbuilding and will be connected directly with one fibre cable or cat6a not sure yet. but there will be cameras on both buildings and need to be connected to one nvr/ pc.

My needs/ wants are:

person detection on 4 outside cameras
3 internal camera not worried about person detection
notifications to my phone when a person is detected on my outside cameras
would also be great if I was able to pause notifications
ability to see all my cameras in real time from my phone or laptop
also wouldn't mind ability to bring cameras up on echo show if possible


Looking to set up the cheapest reliable system possible I know there are a few options that could work have been looking into reeling systems, blue iris and Nvidia Jetson also. Just don't know which is best for me?


Thanks in advance for your help?
 

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:welcome:

A word of caution, you get what you pay for. It may be a better idea to build the system out over time to make the expense more manageable. Nobody here can tell you what is best for you. All we can do is relate what we have learned works best for us. Every scenario is different and there is no, one, magical answer.

My standard welcome -

Welcome to the enchanted land of video surveillance lunatics, good guys, nut jobs and miscreants (yes, I fit into at least three categories). There are a lot of knowledgeable people on here and knowledge and experience are shared constantly. That's how I got to be a lunatic (already a nut job and miscreant).

Start out by looking in the WiKi in the blue bar at the top of the page. There's a ton of very useful information in there and it needs to be viewed on a computer, not a phone or tablet. The Cliff Notes will be of particular interest although the camera models listed there are a generation old at this point. The best way to determine what kind of camera you need in each location and where each location should really be is to buy one varifocal camera first and set up a test stand for it that can be easily moved around. Test using that, viewing using the web interface of the camera, during the day and at night. Have someone walk around behaving like a miscreant and see if you can identify them. There is also information for choosing hardware and securing the system along with a whole bunch of other good stuff.

Don't chase megapixels unless you have a really BIG budget. General rule of thumb is that a 4MP camera will easily outperform an 8MP camera when they both have the same sensor size. Reason being that there are twice as many pixels in the 8MP versus the 4MP. This results in only half the available light getting to each pixel in an 8MP that a pixel in the 4MP "sees".

A dedicated PC doesn't need to be either expensive to purchase or to run. A used business class machine can be had from eBay and various other sources. The advances made in Blue Iris make it easily possible to run a fairly large system on relatively inexpensive hardware which also makes power consumption low, as in under 50 watts in many cases. The biggest expenses turn out to be hard drives for storing video and a PoE switch to power the cameras and, of course, the cameras themselves.

The three basic rules of video surveillance cameras-

Rule #1 - Cameras multiply like rabbits.
Rule #2 - Cameras are more addictive than drugs.
Rule #3 - You never have enough cameras.

Quick guide -

The smaller the lux number the better the low light performance. 0.002 is better than 0.02
The smaller the "F" of the lens the better the low light performance. F1.4 is better than F1.8
The larger the sensor the better the low light performance. 1/1.8" is better (bigger) than 1/2.7"
The higher the megapixels for the same size sensor the worse the low light performance. A 4MP camera with a 1/1.8" sensor will perform better than a 8MP camera with that same 1/1.8" sensor.

Don't believe all the marketing hype no matter who makes the camera. Don't believe those nice night time captures they all use. Look for videos, with motion, to determine low light performance. Any camera can be made to "see" color at night if the exposure time is long enough, as in half a second or longer. Rule of thumb, the shutter speed needs to be at 1/60 or higher to get night video without blurring.

Read the reviews here, most include both still shots and video.

Avoid Reolink, Foscam, SV3C, Nest, and all the other consumer grade cameras. They all struggle mightily at night and never get anything useful on video. Here's a link to a whole thread debunking Reolink in paricular.

Avoid WiFi cameras, even doorbell cameras. WiFi is not designed for the constant, 24/7, load of video that a surveillance camera produces. At best, with two cameras on WiFi, they will still experience dropouts multiple times daily. Murphy's Law says that will happen at the worst possible moment.

Lens size, focal length, is another critical factor. Many people like the wide, sweeping, views of a 2.8mm lens but be aware that identification is problematic with a lens that wide. Watch this video to learn how to analyze each location for appropriate lens size and keep in mind that it may take two cameras to provide the coverage you need or desire. Another factor that effects view angles is the sensor size. Typically larger sensors will have a larger field of view in any given lens size.

The 5442 series of cameras by Dahua is the current "king of the hill". They are 4MP and capable of color with some ambient light at night. The 2231 series is a less expensive alternative in 2MP and does not have audio capabilities, no built in microphone, but is easier on the budget. The 3241T-ZAS has similar spcs as the 2231 and has audio. There are also cameras available from the IPCT Store right here on the forum and from Nelly's Security who has a thread in the vendors section.

5442 Reviews

Review - Loryata (Dahua OEM) IPC-T5442T-ZE varifocal Turret

Review - OEM IPC-B5442E-ZE 4MP AI Varifocal Bullet Camera With Starlight+

Review-OEM 4mp AI Cam IPC-T5442TM-AS Starlight+ Turret

Review IPC-T5442TM-AS-LED (Turret, Full Color, Starlight+)

Review: IPC-HDBW5442R-ASE-NI - Dahua Technology Pro AI Bullet Network Camera

2231 Review
Review-OEM IPC-T2231RP-ZS 2mp Varifocal Turret Starlight Camera

3241T-ZAS Review

Less expensive models -

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I wanna add to correctly decide on a cctv camera system for a private house, you also need to know how to choose a video recorder. The type and characteristics of this device depend on the system's structure, tasks, and plans for the subsequent upgrade. Among video transmission technologies: IP; HDCVI; HDSDI; AHD; HDTVI. Not all of them are compatible with each other by default. Therefore, before purchasing the equipment, you need to make sure that it's compatible with the rest of your future circuitry. To protect the system from hackers, you could use security services, such as pentest prijzen. You should also take into account the resolution of the DVR, the recording speed, and many other essential characteristics.
 

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If you buy an NVR, buy the cameras from the same manufacture as the NVR. Do not use a DVR for home use.
If you use Blue Iris you can use an Older PC as your recorder and mix most different IP cameras
Stick with IP cameras .

Start with one high quality variable focus camera to test you mounting positions and lens settings.
 
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