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Great, but a year later, after 260 counts of shoplifting, you owe $260,000 and will be in county jail for 130 years. Also, to collect welfare and food stamps, you lied about your income to the IRS, so afterward you can go to federal prison for income tax evasion like Al Capone.
Say what???? Are you serious????
 
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Just imagine if this story was about Don Trump Jr. The coverage would be never-ending. The HYPOCRISY of the Liberal media is never ending.....
(great article here btw... )


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In her new book, “Laptop from Hell,” New York Post columnist Miranda Devine tells the tale:
James Gilliar, a wiry, 56-year-old British ex-SAS officer, got to know Ye Jianming, the 40-year-old chairman of CEFC, when they were both working in the Czech Republic.

CEFC was a Chinese conglomerate, one of the largest energy companies in the world.

Ye’s task at was to spend $1.5 billion as quickly as possible to ensure the Czech Republic would become China’s “Gateway to the European Union,” a priority of President Xi.

To that end, Ye bought everything from a football team and a brewery to an airline, before being named “special economic advisor” to Czech President Milos Zeman.

Now he was looking for an influential partner to help with acquisitions in other locations around the world that had strategic significance for the Chinese state.


Gilliar had an idea who could help: The Biden family.
 
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Say what???? Are you serious????
I'm sort of serious. That's what would happen if they caught you every time, didn't do anything about it for a year, and then gave you the maximum punishment for each time. Seems pretty absurd but still makes more sense to me than claiming Californian voters decriminalized shoplifting.
 
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I'm sort of serious. That's what would happen if they caught you every time, didn't do anything about it for a year, and then gave you the maximum punishment for each time. Seems pretty absurd but still makes more sense to me than claiming Californian voters decriminalized shoplifting.
If a law is effectively Not enforced, then the behavior restricted by the law is effectively decriminalized. They did this in conjunction with jail reform (restorative justice) to help reduce prison and jail populations as they were being sued for not having an appropriate level of service for prisoners per capita. When those jail "reform" measures are combined with changes in the treatment of criminals for certain crimes, the net effect is decriminalization.

If they said they would no longer ticket people for red light or stop sign violations, a lot of people would blow through red lights and stop signs, and mayhem would ensue. That is California in a nutshell these days--- MAYHEM. Damn glad I got the hell out in the middle of 2017.
 

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If a law is effectively Not enforced, then the behavior restricted by the law is effectively decriminalized. They did this in conjunction with jail reform (restorative justice) to help reduce prison and jail populations as they were being sued for not having an appropriate level of service for prisoners per capita. When those jail "reform" measures are combined with changes in the treatment of criminals for certain crimes, the net effect is decriminalization.

If they said they would no longer ticket people for red light or stop sign violations, a lot of people would blow through red lights and stop signs, and mayhem would ensue. That is California in a nutshell these days--- MAYHEM. Damn glad I got the hell out in the middle of 2017.
I know this thread is really for mocking people like me rather than a serious debate spot, but I disagree. There's an important distinction between setting a proportionate punishment and eliminating punishment. The voters didn't decriminalize anything; as far as I can tell, the police did that unilaterally.

What do you think is a proportionate punishment for petty shoplifting? What is the punishment in your new state? Is it more than a $1,000 fine and six months in jail?
 

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What do you think is a proportionate punishment for petty shoplifting? What is the punishment in your new state? Is it more than a $1,000 fine and six months in jail?
Oh, I see in your bio that you're in South Dakota now. This page says "The theft of property or services worth $401 to $1,000 constitutes petty theft in the first degree, a class 1 misdemeanor. A guilty party faces up to one year in jail and a $2,000 fine." Before, California was a lot stricter (this was a felony). After, it's a misdemeanor in both places. Do you think South Dakota's up-to-double jail time and fine are critical to controlling property crime?
 
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Yes, the SD penalty being, potentially, double is effective at controlling crime, but only if the Prosecutors follow through.

You blame the police, but let me ask you a question. Say you're at work and what you do is not longer followed through on. Say you find a maintenance issue that is potentially hazardous and management ignores it. Then it happens again with another similar situation. And it keeps happening even though people are getting injured. How long would you continue to bother reporting these problems when they fall on deaf ears? The police no longer bother with crimes like this because Soros backed Prosecutors do not take any action on the charges or "plea bargain" the charges down to basically nothing. That is exactly what happened in Kenosha and exactly why you're seeing organized looting of businesses in California, and now it's spreading to be a nationwide problem.
 
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I know this thread is really for mocking people like me rather than a serious debate spot, but I disagree. There's an important distinction between setting a proportionate punishment and eliminating punishment. The voters didn't decriminalize anything; as far as I can tell, the police did that unilaterally.
What do you think is a proportionate punishment for petty shoplifting? What is the punishment in your new state? Is it more than a $1,000 fine and six months in jail?
I don't know that "punishment" specifically works anywhere. I think the hassle of being arrested, having an arrest record, bailing out of jail, going to court, etc. is the greater deterrent for most people. The police did not do that unilaterally-- they simply responded to being told by District Attorneys that they would not pursue those charges for anyone arrested. Blame woke liberal District Attorney's who refuse to prosecute because they fear being labeled unsympathetic to the criminals.

Oh, I see in your bio that you're in South Dakota now. This page says "The theft of property or services worth $401 to $1,000 constitutes petty theft in the first degree, a class 1 misdemeanor. A guilty party faces up to one year in jail and a $2,000 fine." Before, California was a lot stricter (this was a felony). After, it's a misdemeanor in both places. Do you think South Dakota's up-to-double jail time and fine are critical to controlling property crime?
You're playing some semantic games with this. You know that it would be exceedingly rare (if Ever) that someone would get a maximum sentence. So what controls property crime? I think the hassle of being arrested, having an arrest record, bailing out of jail, going to court, etc. is the greater deterrent for most people. Try to steal 2 shopping carts full of 1-gallon jugs of Tide from Walmart--- you WILL be arrested in South Dakota. California-- stores will fire their employees for attempting to stop the theft. I am not even sure what you're trying to defend here. California is ass-backwards and it's a direct result of liberal politics.
 

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Yes, you're right: I know the maximum sentence is not the minimum sentence, and I know plea bargains happen. I still think the maximum should be proportionate, and I don't blame making it so for high property crime rates.

Here's my challenge: show me something that supports your points. If a California ballot proposition or legislation is to blame, show me the line where it actually decriminalizes something. If DAs aren't doing their jobs, show me a news article where the police made a strong case and a major California DA didn't do anything with it. Or show me a campaign promise the DA made to not pursue certain categories of crimes. (Bonus points if you can find this for my county's district attorney, Jeffrey S. Rosen. An election is coming up; you could actually sway my vote.) Because I don't see that. I just see police not pursuing crimes that are on the books. Maybe you're right: they've done a great job in the past and have given up due to the DAs' consistent inaction. But show me examples.

By the way, "Soros-backed" isn't the same denunciation to me that it is to you.
 
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Yes, you're right: I know the maximum sentence is not the minimum sentence, and I know plea bargains happen. I still think the maximum should be proportionate, and I don't blame making it so for high property crime rates.

Here's my challenge: show me something that supports your points. If a California ballot proposition or legislation is to blame, show me the line where it actually decriminalizes something. If DAs aren't doing their jobs, show me a news article where the police made a strong case and a major California DA didn't do anything with it. Or show me a campaign promise the DA made to not pursue certain categories of crimes. (Bonus points if you can find this for my county's district attorney, Jeffrey S. Rosen. An election is coming up; you could actually sway my vote.) Because I don't see that. I just see police not pursuing crimes that are on the books. Maybe you're right: they've done a great job in the past and have given up due to the DAs' consistent inaction. But show me examples.

By the way, "Soros-backed" isn't the same denunciation to me that it is to you.
You are asking me to show you examples of what DIDN'T happen.... LOL
took 5 minutes....

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That's so vague that I don't even know if I think it's reasonable or not. It doesn't quote a specific DA, it doesn't say what a "stiff" penalty is, and it doesn't say what crimes.
 
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Must be hard to be so obtuse and blind to the things going wrong in California and other areas that have followed California's lead in "criminal justice reform" The system was not broken and has worked relatively well for hundreds of years. The only place it is broken now are where there "reforms" have been instituted. The numbers don't lie and everywhere crime, violent crime in particular, has risen and continues to rise, are run by liberal Democrats, actually Marists, and yes Soros has backed District Attorneys in every one of those cities.
 

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Must be hard to be so obtuse and blind to the things going wrong in California and other areas that have followed California's lead in "criminal justice reform" The system was not broken and has worked relatively well for hundreds of years. The only place it is broken now are where there "reforms" have been instituted. The numbers don't lie and everywhere crime, violent crime in particular, has risen and continues to rise, are run by liberal Democrats, actually Marists, and yes Soros has backed District Attorneys in every one of those cities.
A few points:
  1. California's crime rates aren't that far off from national trends, according to this analysis. A little better than average on homicide; a little worse than average on property crime. I prefer California's stats to the national ones because getting murdered would be a bigger problem for me than being stolen from. YMMV.
  2. Most cities are run by liberal Democrats (and most rural areas are run by conservative Republicans).
  3. California hasn't led in "criminal justice reform", according to Soros-backed (not really) politician Newt Gingrich in this op-ed.
 

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By the way, "Soros-backed" isn't the same denunciation to me that it is to you.
I am sure it does not. To me a "Soros backed" means that liberal Attorney's are being installed in the DA offices. In other words bail reform and light sentencing are the norm. So the criminals are in a revolving door being in and out of the justice system. The most recent atrocity is with Darrel Brooks who deliberately mowed down all those people in the Wisconsin Christmas parade. He was constantly given light sentences for his crimes along with small bail bonds.

Now as to searching the internet for finding Liberal DA's is not going to happen. That is because the media is not reporting on actions like that. In fact they fully support it. Here is synopsis on Santa Clara County where you live. By the way I live in Orange County, California.

Politics & Voting in Santa Clara, California (bestplaces.net)
 

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The most recent atrocity is with Darrel Brooks who deliberately mowed down all those people in the Wisconsin Christmas parade. He was constantly given light sentences for his crimes along with
There I'm right with you. He was a repeat violent criminal. Allowing him to be out on bail (for $1,000, or for any amount at all) while awaiting trial for trying to run someone over was an unnecessary danger to the community I won't excuse. If it were my DA and my judge that allowed that, I'd be out collecting signatures for recalls. If you have examples of that happening here (even without the devastating consequences), send them this way!

I see that as totally different than allowing leniency for smoking pot (which was since actually decriminalized in California by Prop 64) or shoplifting (which is still a crime, just a misdemeanor rather than a felony).

Now as to searching the internet for finding this is not going to happen. That is because the media is not reporting on actions like this. In fact they on the whole support it.
Meh, I don't think the media are as good at massive conspiracies as you think they are, and I tend to reject claims without evidence.

Here is synopsis on Santa Clara County where you live. By the way I live in Orange County, California.

Politics & Voting in Santa Clara, California (bestplaces.net)
"Santa Clara County, CA is Very liberal". Correct without a doubt.
 

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Meh, I don't think the media are as good at massive conspiracies as you think they are, and I tend to reject claims without evidence.
They are doing their best to cover up for Joe Biden. They will not report on his many blunders. Question, do you think that Joe Biden is really running this country?
 
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