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The image quality with autotracking is not very defined, at least it is not the same as the youtube test videos. Do you do any additional configuration?

When reviewing the recordings, the nvr reduces the quality a lot, I suppose it compresses it for space, but is it possible that it records in full quality? Although it takes up more space.
This happens to me with the other Dahua.
 

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Are you running on auto settings or have you adjusted the settings to your field of view?

Do you have PFA on or off. Whichever way you have it now, try it the other way.

Are you watching the video through the camera GUI itself or thru the NVR?

Do you have an SD card in the camera?

What is the bitrate you are running the camera in the camera GUI - suggest using 15,000 and see if image quality improves.

Finally (for now), what NVR are you using...not all NVRs are created equal and you may be using one that limits the bitrate...

As always, posting screenshots of your settings and sample video help with troubleshooting immensely...
 

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Are you running on auto settings or have you adjusted the settings to your field of view?

Do you have PFA on or off. Whichever way you have it now, try it the other way.

Are you watching the video through the camera GUI itself or thru the NVR?

Do you have an SD card in the camera?

What is the bitrate you are running the camera in the camera GUI - suggest using 15,000 and see if image quality improves.

Finally (for now), what NVR are you using...not all NVRs are created equal and you may be using one that limits the bitrate...

As always, posting screenshots of your settings and sample video help with troubleshooting immensely...

It's all by default.

PFA activated. From DMSS or camera IP in IE.

No SD card. Image bit rate.

NVR NVR5208-8P-4KS2E








 

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Turn off PFA and up your mainstream bitrate. 4096 is way too low for this PTZ. Minimum 8192, but probably higher. Try 15,000 and go up or down from there to improve the image or drop bitrate until a degradation.

Try H264.

Match FPS and iframes.

Since you are on mostly auto/default or adjusting based on a static image, in most situations at night it will produce a nice bright picture and great picture when nothing is moving, but motion is complete crap with blurring and ghosting. And the default settings also make it harder for the autotrack to track.

Once you dial in the settings for motion, the image will get darker, but you will then be able to actually make things out during motion as well.

In my opinion, shutter and gain are the two most important and then base the others off of it.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-30 (day) for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night image results in Casper during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

So if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 30ms as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features like WDR until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And when if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible. The higher the backlight number, the worse the image in most situations.

Once you dial it in, the image will be darker, but will give you better results.
 

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Turn off PFA and up your mainstream bitrate. 4096 is way too low for this PTZ. Minimum 8192, but probably higher. Try 15,000 and go up or down from there to improve the image or drop bitrate until a degradation.

Try H264.

Match FPS and iframes.

Since you are on mostly auto/default or adjusting based on a static image, in most situations at night it will produce a nice bright picture and great picture when nothing is moving, but motion is complete crap with blurring and ghosting. And the default settings also make it harder for the autotrack to track.

Once you dial in the settings for motion, the image will get darker, but you will then be able to actually make things out during motion as well.

In my opinion, shutter and gain are the two most important and then base the others off of it.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-30 (day) for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night image results in Casper during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

So if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 30ms as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features like WDR until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And when if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible. The higher the backlight number, the worse the image in most situations.

Once you dial it in, the image will be darker, but will give you better results.
It has improved a lot with your improvement suggestions, but what I do not understand is that in real time playback (1200 kb / s) but in past recording playback (150 kb / s). When reviewing the recordings, the images lose a lot of quality, DMSS is configured in main stream, I don't understand anything.
 

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Could be your NVR downrezing it. Which model number do you have?
 

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Could be your NVR downrezing it. Which model number do you have?
NVR5208-8P-4KS2E

 

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What are you using to view playback? If your phone, it can’t stream full resolution well. It will use the substream. If on the NVR, you can view the main stream. Make sure main stream bitrate is set to at least 8192 (or the highest choice it gives you)

show me a screen shot of viewing the camera in playback on the NVR

And as @wittaj said, do not use H.265
Use H.264H
 

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What are you using to view playback? If your phone, it can’t stream full resolution well. It will use the substream. If on the NVR, you can view the main stream. Make sure main stream bitrate is set to at least 8192 (or the highest choice it gives you)

show me a screen shot of viewing the camera in playback on the NVR

And as @wittaj said, do not use H.265
Use H.264H
PFA disable
H.264H
8192 bitrate
20fps
20 iframe

The problem that I indicate is using DMSS on iPhone, I understand that it always uses Sub stream despite configuring its use with main stream.
 

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Yeah even set to Main running 8192, DMSS on my phone runs about 1000-1200 max .
 

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Yeah even set to Main running 8192, DMSS on my phone runs about 1000-1200 max .
Correct, in reproduction. I understand then that if I need to see in full quality, directly on the nvr, right? That being the case, everything is well configured
 

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Yes though I prefer to use SmartPSS for live viewing and playback and downloading clips. Much better than the NVR interface.

if you do install SmartPSS (PC) don’t use it to change settings, only for viewing and playback
 

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Yes though I prefer to use SmartPSS for live viewing and playback and downloading clips. Much better than the NVR interface.

if you do install SmartPSS (PC) don’t use it to change settings, only for viewing and playback
Ok.
Thanks!
 
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